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    Quote Originally Posted by Banriikku View Post
    This is just discarding the argument telling the other side and NOT discussing the topic. I dont know but telling somebody "play something else" is in this case is not an attack but ignoring the argument and discarding the point of the the other side ....my 2 cents here
    So you argument is "stop playing" and OP tells you "i think EW needs more content" the whole topic is "Has EW not enough content?" -
    EW has similar amount of contents as previous expansions. If you look at the OP, their problem is not with the lack content itself. And if you look at the post to which that response was directed, the complaint is about the story, not lack of content.

    There is nothing to discard if you disagree.

    If you say you don't like how a particular restaurant makes chocolate ice cream.

    I could say in response, I disagree and I like it.
    I could also say, well, get ice cream from another restaurant then.

    Neither discards the point that you don't like this restaurant's chocolate ice cream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    That is feedback as some people like the direction of the game.

    And it becomes more valid of a feedback the more the devs stick to a direction, especially if the devs has stated they're sticking to it. Like job designs, for example. If you want Heavensward style job designs and the dev says they don't want to return to that, there is a likely chance that you're not going to like the direction of the game. Playing other games is a valid alternative, and thus it's a valid feedback to give.

    Just because you don't like the feedback, doesn't mean it's a distraction. Imagine if devs view feedback as mere noises and distraction. That's ridiculous (though it can probably happen, with at SE).
    How do you even know they like the game? They didn't indicate that in their post as there was nothing of any substance, only that they think the other person should quit if they don't like direction of the current expansion.
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    Telling others to quit sounds like a bad idea to me TBH. Also, don't be surprise the day you have any problem someone told you to do the same.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    EW has similar amount of contents as previous expansions. If you look at the OP, their problem is not with the lack content itself. And if you look at the post to which that response was directed, the complaint is about the story, not lack of content.

    There is nothing to discard if you disagree.

    If you say you don't like how a particular restaurant makes chocolate ice cream.

    I could say in response, I disagree and I like it.
    I could also say, well, get ice cream from another restaurant then.

    Neither discards the point that you don't like this restaurant's chocolate ice cream.
    You say similar but I say otherwise.

    If you can tell us what makes EW have similar amount of content so far?

    By the way I define content as actual developed content made for the game not player made stuff (this is important distinction since you are on Balmung)
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    EW has similar amount of contents as previous expansions. If you look at the OP, their problem is not with the lack content itself. And if you look at the post to which that response was directed, the complaint is about the story, not lack of content.

    There is nothing to discard if you disagree.

    If you say you don't like how a particular restaurant makes chocolate ice cream.

    I could say in response, I disagree and I like it.
    I could also say, well, get ice cream from another restaurant then.

    Neither discards the point that you don't like this restaurant's chocolate ice cream.
    You're oversimplifying the OP. In your context, the OP didn't just say they don't like chocolate, they provided feedback to the creator of said icecream that do not like the chocolate because they decided to change to chocolate sourced from a new region that they perceive is lower quality, and that they much preferred when they used chocolate sourced from the another region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    EW has similar amount of contents as previous expansions. If you look at the OP, their problem is not with the lack content itself. And if you look at the post to which that response was directed, the complaint is about the story, not lack of content.

    There is nothing to discard if you disagree.

    If you say you don't like how a particular restaurant makes chocolate ice cream.

    I could say in response, I disagree and I like it.
    I could also say, well, get ice cream from another restaurant then.

    Neither discards the point that you don't like this restaurant's chocolate ice cream.
    OKay = we are not talking about the same topic. The topic is "Has EW enough content" your answer is "play something else" in school you would get zero points because you ignore the question and give answer to something that was not asked. At best you think the other side would have more fun with other games and at worst its an attack but in both cases you ignore the question aka the topic the OP wants to discuss here. I cant see how your anwser is providing an answer to something that was not asked or even discussed until you gave this answer or opinion.
    The next thing is your explantion warps your point beyond recognition and is just wrong... i dont know but whats your point ? I missing the point i guess... atleast your point.

    Oh btw. i disagree with the op and think we have for a 6.05 enough stuff everything else is in the future.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    How do you even know they like the game? They didn't indicate that in their post as there was nothing of any substance, only that they think the other person should quit if they don't like direction of the current expansion.
    The thing is, it doesn't matter if they like the game or not. They can still make that statement because it's a valid response that does not depend on the person saying it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Driavna View Post
    Telling others to quit sounds like a bad idea to me TBH. Also, don't be surprise the day you have any problem someone told you to do the same.
    Telling others to feel free to play other games is not telling others to quit.

    Quote Originally Posted by raelgun View Post
    You say similar but I say otherwise.

    If you can tell us what makes EW have similar amount of content so far?

    By the way I define content as actual developed content made for the game not player made stuff (this is important distinction since you are on Balmung)
    You've been here since 2013. Do you not know FFXIV's content cycle since at least Heavensward? We have MSQ, dungeons, trials, raids, hunts, FATEs, crafting/gathering, etc. This is the same as in previous expansions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    You're oversimplifying the OP. In your context, the OP didn't just say they don't like chocolate, they provided feedback to the creator of said icecream that do not like the chocolate because they decided to change to chocolate sourced from a new region that they perceive is lower quality, and that they much preferred when they used chocolate sourced from the another region.
    Meanwhile, other people like that chocolate ice cream, so the restaurant has a choice whether they think their ice cream is fine, and if so, the consumer also has a choice in going to another restaurant.

    Quote Originally Posted by Banriikku View Post
    OKay = we are not talking about the same topic. The topic is "Has EW enough content" your answer is "play something else" in school you would get zero points because you ignore the question and give answer to something that was not asked. ...
    You might think that the topic is about lack of content from the title. I did too. But as I said earlier in the thread, the OP doesn't actually complain about lack of content.

    Complaining about gearsets, music, zone sizes, voice acting, and server queues is not complaining about whether EW has enough content.

    Either way, whether there is indeed not enough content or whether you just don't like the content that is in the game because of some aesthetic reasons like music or voice acting, saying to play something else is still a valid response because that's how you get more content that you enjoy. There is no need to limit the content you play in video games to FFXIV, and that's what Yoshida also said, as has been quoted earlier in the thread.
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    if gearsets are content, mogstation is a raid
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    In the context that get usually used it is. Anyway this whole thing is silly. Imagine people being told "just go play other game" if you think raids should have a more accessible mode for everyone to enjoy the plot behind them. Or, just play that other game that has a better glamour system instead of wanting improvement for what we already have, since you know... is the game you prefer of the two.

    And yes, I picked those specific examples knowing the average "go play another game" agree with that stuff or benefited from it.

    Different players, different priorities, different opinions and different complains. Up to devs to decided what to do with the received feedback.
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    Last edited by Driavna; 01-11-2022 at 10:47 PM.

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    All the content got taken away from us back in Stormblood.
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