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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    Got it.

    Feedback: bad

    Emtionally charged defense of the devs: good

    The fanyboism of this community is mindblowing.
    Who says feedback is bad? Again, you're overreacting.

    Player feedback to dev: I don't like content/direction
    Player feedback to player: If you're not enjoying your time in FFXIV right now, feel free to play other games as well or instead.

    Both are feedback and neither cancels the other.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Who says feedback is bad? Again, you're overreacting.

    Player feedback to dev: I don't like content/direction
    Player feedback to player: If you're not enjoying your time in FFXIV right now, feel free to play other games as well or instead.

    Both are feedback and neither cancels the other.
    The second isn't feedback, the second is just distraction from the purpose of the thread. Feedback would be reading the post and responding to points they made if one disagrees.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    The second isn't feedback, the second is just distraction from the purpose of the thread. Feedback would be reading the post and responding to points they made if one disagrees.
    That is feedback as some people like the direction of the game.

    And it becomes more valid of a feedback the more the devs stick to a direction, especially if the devs have stated they're sticking to it. Like job designs, for example. If you want Heavensward style job designs and the dev says they don't want to return to that, there is a likely chance that you're not going to like the direction of the game. Playing other games is a valid alternative, and thus it's a valid feedback to give.

    Just because you don't like the feedback, doesn't mean it's a distraction. Imagine if devs view feedback as mere noises and distraction. That's ridiculous (though it can probably happen, even with SE).
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    That is feedback as some people like the direction of the game.

    And it becomes more valid of a feedback the more the devs stick to a direction, especially if the devs has stated they're sticking to it. Like job designs, for example. If you want Heavensward style job designs and the dev says they don't want to return to that, there is a likely chance that you're not going to like the direction of the game. Playing other games is a valid alternative, and thus it's a valid feedback to give.

    Just because you don't like the feedback, doesn't mean it's a distraction. Imagine if devs view feedback as mere noises and distraction. That's ridiculous (though it can probably happen, with at SE).
    How do you even know they like the game? They didn't indicate that in their post as there was nothing of any substance, only that they think the other person should quit if they don't like direction of the current expansion.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brian25 View Post
    The second isn't feedback, the second is just distraction from the purpose of the thread. Feedback would be reading the post and responding to points they made if one disagrees.
    Thank you for at least trying with this. I do adore the game. I just want to see it improve. That is an opinion and people are welcome to disagree with wanting it to improve.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    Who says feedback is bad? Again, you're overreacting.

    Player feedback to dev: I don't like content/direction
    Player feedback to player: If you're not enjoying your time in FFXIV right now, feel free to play other games as well or instead.

    Both are feedback and neither cancels the other.
    This is just discarding the argument telling the other side and NOT discussing the topic. I dont know but telling somebody "play something else" is in this case is not an attack but ignoring the argument and discarding the point of the the other side ....my 2 cents here
    So you argument is "stop playing" and OP tells you "i think EW needs more content" the whole topic is "Has EW not enough content?" -
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    Quote Originally Posted by Banriikku View Post
    This is just discarding the argument telling the other side and NOT discussing the topic. I dont know but telling somebody "play something else" is in this case is not an attack but ignoring the argument and discarding the point of the the other side ....my 2 cents here
    So you argument is "stop playing" and OP tells you "i think EW needs more content" the whole topic is "Has EW not enough content?" -
    EW has similar amount of contents as previous expansions. If you look at the OP, their problem is not with the lack content itself. And if you look at the post to which that response was directed, the complaint is about the story, not lack of content.

    There is nothing to discard if you disagree.

    If you say you don't like how a particular restaurant makes chocolate ice cream.

    I could say in response, I disagree and I like it.
    I could also say, well, get ice cream from another restaurant then.

    Neither discards the point that you don't like this restaurant's chocolate ice cream.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    EW has similar amount of contents as previous expansions. If you look at the OP, their problem is not with the lack content itself. And if you look at the post to which that response was directed, the complaint is about the story, not lack of content.

    There is nothing to discard if you disagree.

    If you say you don't like how a particular restaurant makes chocolate ice cream.

    I could say in response, I disagree and I like it.
    I could also say, well, get ice cream from another restaurant then.

    Neither discards the point that you don't like this restaurant's chocolate ice cream.
    You say similar but I say otherwise.

    If you can tell us what makes EW have similar amount of content so far?

    By the way I define content as actual developed content made for the game not player made stuff (this is important distinction since you are on Balmung)
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    EW has similar amount of contents as previous expansions. If you look at the OP, their problem is not with the lack content itself. And if you look at the post to which that response was directed, the complaint is about the story, not lack of content.

    There is nothing to discard if you disagree.

    If you say you don't like how a particular restaurant makes chocolate ice cream.

    I could say in response, I disagree and I like it.
    I could also say, well, get ice cream from another restaurant then.

    Neither discards the point that you don't like this restaurant's chocolate ice cream.
    You're oversimplifying the OP. In your context, the OP didn't just say they don't like chocolate, they provided feedback to the creator of said icecream that do not like the chocolate because they decided to change to chocolate sourced from a new region that they perceive is lower quality, and that they much preferred when they used chocolate sourced from the another region.
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    Quote Originally Posted by linayar View Post
    EW has similar amount of contents as previous expansions. If you look at the OP, their problem is not with the lack content itself. And if you look at the post to which that response was directed, the complaint is about the story, not lack of content.

    There is nothing to discard if you disagree.

    If you say you don't like how a particular restaurant makes chocolate ice cream.

    I could say in response, I disagree and I like it.
    I could also say, well, get ice cream from another restaurant then.

    Neither discards the point that you don't like this restaurant's chocolate ice cream.
    OKay = we are not talking about the same topic. The topic is "Has EW enough content" your answer is "play something else" in school you would get zero points because you ignore the question and give answer to something that was not asked. At best you think the other side would have more fun with other games and at worst its an attack but in both cases you ignore the question aka the topic the OP wants to discuss here. I cant see how your anwser is providing an answer to something that was not asked or even discussed until you gave this answer or opinion.
    The next thing is your explantion warps your point beyond recognition and is just wrong... i dont know but whats your point ? I missing the point i guess... atleast your point.

    Oh btw. i disagree with the op and think we have for a 6.05 enough stuff everything else is in the future.
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