The coming balance changes to jobs

[kejakalope]

So no mention of healers whatsoever? Goes to show they don’t play their own game lmao.

No need to mention them. There's no shortage of healers in any job, and they're performing fine across the board right now. The healer forum is pouring boiling acid down its own throat in protest, but they've been doing that every single day since the game launched so there's nothing to really take note of there. Yoshida is not now nor ever will entertain the idea of seriously upending how healing works as a role in FFXIV.

[HyoMinPark]

No need to mention them. There's no shortage of healers in any job, and they're performing fine across the board right now. The healer forum is pouring boiling acid down its own throat in protest, but they've been doing that every single day since the game launched so there's nothing to really take note of there. Yoshida is not now nor ever will entertain the idea of seriously upending how healing works as a role in FFXIV.

I’m not concerned with healer personal damage. Nor are other serious healer mains. We’re mostly concerned with certain gameplay aspects for some of the jobs (e.g., Astrodyne is a huge source of complaints with long-time ASTs; and to a lesser extent Minor Arcana) and WHM’s MP economy right now.

The latter’s MP economy is so bad. It reminds me a lot of early ShB AST where you’d be dying the rest of a fight if you had to Raise once. The two charges of Thin Air do nothing when you have multiple people dying (hello 83 normal trial in Trial Roulette), and even just basic healing once you’ve blown through your lilies is incredibly taxing. For a burst healer, I dread any situation where I may need to actually use Medica II (pre-76 levels because Rapture is still level 76 for some god-awful reason), and using Cure III once outside of a Thin Air charge is basically RIP mana pool (hello again 83 normal trial in Trial Roulette and healing Styx with only 5/8 people alive to soak it).

The rate at which WHM can so easily go OOM even with proactive Lucid and Thin Air management is staggering.

Maybe the WHM gear planned for later tiers provides mana regen? Maybe a big chunk of Mind. That would solve the mana problems. Just a guess, I might be wrong. It's weird that WHM sits there with such MP problems, while the other healers don't seem to have any trouble with that.

Doubtful. MND won’t help if you’re trying to recover a scuffed run because WHM has horrible recovery compared to SB and ShB WHM. It may make your heals more potent, but it won’t save you from going OOM the second things start to head south. Raising once outside of Thin Air leaves you even more MP negative than usual.

[Semirhage]

No need to mention them. There's no shortage of healers in any job, and they're performing fine across the board right now. The healer forum is pouring boiling acid down its own throat in protest, but they've been doing that every single day since the game launched so there's nothing to really take note of there. Yoshida is not now nor ever will entertain the idea of seriously upending how healing works as a role in FFXIV.

Omnomnomnom 1111111111111111111 is truly the pinnacle of class design, those craaaaaaaaazy healer complaints come from nowhere.

[RyuDragnier]

Omnomnomnom 1111111111111111111 is truly the pinnacle of class design, those craaaaaaaaazy healer complaints come from nowhere.

Blame Gordias Savage for this. It was the hardest raid in the game, the one where healer DPS became mandatory. If not for that, people wouldn't be raging about healer DPS, and healers wouldn't have gotten nerfed due to people wanting to make it "easier" to perform well at.

[HyoMinPark]

Blame Gordias Savage for this. It was the hardest raid in the game, the one where healer DPS became mandatory. If not for that, people wouldn't be raging about healer DPS, and healers wouldn't have gotten nerfed due to people wanting to make it "easier" to perform well at.

Sad that it was too much of an ask to manage just two DoTs on WHM. WHM—you know, the easiest healer in the game. I’m not even talking about Cleric Stance dancing. Just simple DoT management. I’d give anything to have a second DoT with a different timer if it meant my rotation wasn’t DoT > nuke spell ad nauseam > DoT refresh > maybe I get to throw out a heal now in a semi-competent party.

The issue with things consistently becoming more and more easy is that it doesn’t teach improvement. If anything, with things constantly being changed and nerfed, it advocates the mentality of “cry loud enough about it and the devs will nerf it for us” versus “maybe I should practice juggling both Aero and Aero III. It can’t really be that difficult with practice, can it”. That argument was literally made about the current story mode trials in another thread. While not about job design, it’s still applicable to what has become of the healers since I started this game, in my opinion.



But putting all that aside and getting back on topic: the fact that WHM’s MP issues weren’t acknowledged at all in this patch truly astounds me. It needed to be acknowledged, and it just makes me wonder if the developers are out of touch with this concern, or simply don’t think it’s worth addressing. I really think they need to look into the complaints, and maybe add some sort of mana regeneration. Preferably at a pre-50 level because oh my God, the mana management on pre-Assize/pre-Lily WHM is terrible. It would benefit at level cap while providing early-level cushion when you don’t have resource-free healing available.

I guess at least Yoshida acknowledged that DNC’s personal damage was too low?

[Darthgummibear]

No need to mention them. There's no shortage of healers in any job, and they're performing fine across the board right now. The healer forum is pouring boiling acid down its own throat in protest, but they've been doing that every single day since the game launched so there's nothing to really take note of there. Yoshida is not now nor ever will entertain the idea of seriously upending how healing works as a role in FFXIV.

I can vouch for this. Healing is fine.

[IDontPetLalas]

No need to mention them. There's no shortage of healers in any job, and they're performing fine across the board right now. The healer forum is pouring boiling acid down its own throat in protest, but they've been doing that every single day since the game launched so there's nothing to really take note of there. Yoshida is not now nor ever will entertain the idea of seriously upending how healing works as a role in FFXIV.

All that I'll say is that everyone who plays the game should always be free to provide their feedback on how their job feels. You may agree with, you may not. The game designers should however always review said feedback.

This holds for all roles. Neither you nor I can or will know if Yoshi-P will make extensive changes to healing but we are free to ask for them as people who play the game.

By the way, instead of being so dismissive, perhaps if certain roles haven't been happy for quite a while, there could just be a valid reason in some cases?

[Darthgummibear]

perhaps if certain roles haven't been happy for quite a while

And what are you basing this on exactly? A handful of loud people on a forum?

[Aiscence]

And what are you basing this on exactly? A handful of loud people on a forum?

And what are you basing yourself on? a bunch of people with 70% uptime free curing and whining the 90 msq dungeon is a step too much into the extreme difficulty?

[Darthgummibear]

And what are you basing yourself on? a bunch of people with 70% uptime free curing and whining the 90 msq dungeon is a step too much into the extreme difficulty?

So you're just pulling anecdotes out of your ass now. Nice.