I thought people might be exaggerating about SMN

[kejakalope]

Demanding rotation? It was a simple 120s rotation, what was so demanding about it? Pressing Egi-Assault? Min-maxing your ruin 4s? Pressing Ti-Disaster occasionally? Like seriously I don't understand what was so ball-busting about old Summoner to you. Hell it was my "I wanna relax and have an easy run" job for all of SHB, especially post Egi-Assault in 5.1. Good DPS and a res in-case someone dies? That made life so much easier.

I don't have a personal opinion on the old rotation's difficulty; I didn't play it, because babysitting DoTs was not what I wanted out of Summoner, so I bailed on the job back in ARR. I'm representing what I always heard about it from everyone who leveled it.

I do know that you are wildly out of touch with what the average player of this game is like. When was the last time you ran a roulette with any strangers at all outside of Alliance?

Also you would be surprised at how many people take raiders opinons seriously. The entire reason AST got changed from HW to SB was because of Savage raiders.

AST has been changed over the years for many reasons. The developers taking various concerns seriously has nothing to do with how clued-in Casual Andy is to the pulse of the hardcore community (he is barely aware it exists).

[Vegituh]

I don't have a personal opinion on the old rotation's difficulty; I didn't play it, because babysitting DoTs was not what I wanted out of Summoner, so I bailed on the job back in ARR. I'm representing what I always heard about it from everyone who leveled it.

I do know that you are wildly out of touch with what the average player of this game is like. When was the last time you ran a roulette with any strangers at all outside of Alliance?



AST has been changed over the years for many reasons. The developers taking various concerns seriously has nothing to do with how clued-in Casual Andy is to the pulse of the hardcore community (he is barely aware it exists).

HW AST changed due to Savage Raiders (you do realize there is more to Raiders than just World First statics right? They are all over party finder. People of all skill levels.) standing around pre-pull trying to fish for perfect Balance/Spread combos to up their rDPS. Same reasons SCH got its shields nerfed, people sitting pre-pull fishing for Crit Adlos.

Also I legitimately just finished a solo Trial Roulette. Got the 89 trial, we wiped once. Got a clutch res on a healer in the second run and we finished.

Anyways I'm pretty much done talking to you. "Wildly out of touch"? I've barely dipped my toes into Savage raiding, and yet I am out of touch for knowing a little about whats going on? I'm out of touch for understanding the class I've played for 6 years and hows it doing?

Sure someone who legit logs on for Duty finder, Glamour or Crafting won't care what raiders are doing, but there are a good amount of people who do. I see more streams of Savage or Ultimate Raiders than I do of people streaming Duty Finder, must be some interest in it.

And yeah, some of your buddies who leveled and dropped Summoner is definitely a good gauge on how liked a job is. On my end, most of my friends either liked or were indifferent to SMN. Not going to use their opinions to gauge the playerbases view of the job.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

Regardless... There are more Summoners now than ever before. So while some may be disappointed; it's clear that the majority seem to be enjoying the changes.

[Reimmi]

The new summoner base is good, but it 100% needs more buttons to press.
Button bloat is one thing sure but they swerved too hard in the other direction with smn

[Mortime]

I just wish they'd give it some flavor. I mean right now its just green ruin, yellow ruin, red ruin, rinse and repeat. Make it so that when you use garuda your attacks reduce the enemy attack speed or movement speed slightly, when you use titan it reduces the enemy damage resist slightly, ifrit would add a tiny dot on the targets, bahamut would roar when summoned reducing the enemy damage. I mean right now the meal is there but god damn is it one flavorless grub.

[SweetPete]

I’d like if we had more summons as ogcd. For example. We can summon Lakshmi to perform stotram for aoe. Summon Susano to perform stormsplitter. Summon Sophia to perform thunder three. Etc. I mean the devs can let their imaginations sore with new summoner. I know we have to wait for 7.0 to get new elemental summons and maybe a new Demi primal but for now I’d love if they added a few ogcd summons to give us more to press and do.

[XmissionsX]

I still am In disbelief that Apparently most people feel it’s totally ok if se completely effectively removes a class, and wonder how they felt if it where there main. Especially as se announced it in a funny ‘we have now 3 new classes announcement’.

No apology or technical explanation why they had to remove the class, and why it’s impossible to keep the current smn and just do 19 classes, so especially in Japan culture they apparently feel they did nothing that could upset people ? Did they really expect that current pre ew smn mains find this new job good if it’s that removed of ew smn.

Or are they getting so used by the part of the loving ffxiv community that just defends blindly every decision se makes with a strong belief that se cannot do anything wrong?

And how can I trust se to do not do it again to the new class I will choose ?

[XmissionsX]

Regardless... There are more Summoners now than ever before. So while some may be disappointed; it's clear that the majority seem to be enjoying the changes.

This reasoning is extremely flawed, it’s just a new class so people will try it out of course like every new class, but it says nothing about how the pre ew smn players like the changes or how popular the new class will be when the novelty wears off.

There are no numbers available about how many pre ew smn players still play smn only se knows that numbers and ffxiv community seems to be extremely forgiving and has a hard core of players who defend every decision by the ffxiv team blindly so most critical threads get filled by people defending the change by the old smn was terrible or extreme flawed statements as it’s now popular. Which gives the impression that the op apparently is alone in his dissatisfaction because everyone loves the new smn.

And for the sake of argument even if the old smn was not the most popular class does this warrant a removal which will upset a small part of the player base so u will make the class more popular by a larger part of the players ? With that logic in the end we will all get the same generic jobs.

[Wolwosh]

I still hear friends that used to DRK talk about how much more fun it was to play in HW.
A few expansions later after gutting DRK and its still not at the same fun point as it was, so much depth and fun skills removed, and just look at how many people are still complaining about it now.
so I don't have much hope of SUM ever getting better again, it will probably get worse.

[Rhysati]

So, then it's okay to resemble a Warlock from Dungeons and Dragons then? So, you must have a problem with Reaper as well?

It plays nothing like a D&D warlock. What are you even talking about?

It was clearly modeled after WoW's warlock class. In D&D, Warlocks are just powerful spellcasters with a very limited amount of spell slots at their disposal to make up for the fact that they have a large spell book and their spells always cast at max level available. And they get all their spells back during short rests unlike everyone else. What they aren't is a DoT caster with a meek little pet doing DoT level damage.