I thought people might be exaggerating about SMN

[mathias-merodach]

So, then it's okay to resemble a Warlock from Dungeons and Dragons then? So, you must have a problem with Reaper as well?

[kejakalope]

So, then it's okay to resemble a Warlock from Dungeons and Dragons then? So, you must have a problem with Reaper as well?

local man lines up, takes shot, misses wildly, blows out window of own car

[mathias-merodach]

local man lines up, takes shot, misses wildly, blows out window of own car

Misses wildly? You gain your power from conjoining with an outside being with the ability to screw with your spiritual being while basing your damage around variations 1 ability and occasionally sending your pet out to do an attack. DnD Warlock with a Fiend Patron (Primals) taking Pact of the Chain to get your imp (Egi's) and spamming variations of Ruin (Eldritch Blast).

[kejakalope]

Misses wildly? You gain your power from conjoining with an outside being with the ability to screw with your spiritual being while basing your damage around variations 1 ability and occasionally sending your pet out to do an attack. DnD Warlock with a Fiend Patron (Primals) taking Pact of the Chain to get your imp (Egi's) and spamming variations of Ruin (Eldritch Blast).

Final Fantasy's summoner predates the class first showing up in D&D 3.X by well over a decade, never mind 5e. The "XIV" at the end of the title isn't just because they think straight lines look cool, it means "Fourteen" and it indicates there were thirteen more of these games before this one came out.

edit: also, that's... not how XIV's Summoner works. Your Egis are created by shaping your own aether into a likeness of the power of a defeated primal. You are not making a pact with Ifrit or whatever.

[mathias-merodach]

Final Fantasy's summoner predates the class first showing up in D&D 3.X by well over a decade, never mind 5e. The "XIV" at the end of the title isn't just because they think straight lines look cool, it means "Fourteen" and it indicates there were thirteen more of these games before this one came out.

edit: also, that's... not how XIV's Summoner works. Your Egis are created by shaping your own aether into a likeness of the power of a defeated primal. You are not making a pact with Ifrit or whatever.

You are right it's not exactly like it, it was to make a comparison not an exact replica -- not unlike the constant comparison to WoW Warlock just because it had two DoT abilities.

But only 13 then? Must not be counting the spinoffs then like Tactics and Tactics Advanced 1/2.... And in regards to speaking of the mainline alone from start to 14, that's 7 appearances of the class, only 3 where it was actually gainable job and not character assigned, 2 where every playable character could summon everything, 1 where each playable character received a personal one (12 fits somewhere in the latter two categories; I honestly don't remember). In two of the side games, it's race locked to Viera. Because the class, as all can and occasionally do, change based on the world of the game they are taking place in.

[Rhysati]

So, then it's okay to resemble a Warlock from Dungeons and Dragons then? So, you must have a problem with Reaper as well?

It plays nothing like a D&D warlock. What are you even talking about?

It was clearly modeled after WoW's warlock class. In D&D, Warlocks are just powerful spellcasters with a very limited amount of spell slots at their disposal to make up for the fact that they have a large spell book and their spells always cast at max level available. And they get all their spells back during short rests unlike everyone else. What they aren't is a DoT caster with a meek little pet doing DoT level damage.