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  1. #71
    Player
    Hysorn's Avatar
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    Laudrian Ravenstorm
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    Faerie
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    Dark Knight Lv 90
    I think the worst sin is just the simplicity. I think fantasy wise it's 10x better but gameplaywise I can't stand how boring it is, even at 90. It feels like this is just the core and they are saving the cool stuff for future expansions, AKA we have the ARR version of SMN currently available and are waiting for the HW, StB and ShB additions.
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  2. #72
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    Wighard Marcellos
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by kejakalope View Post
    The job is dead*

    *more popular than ever

    Your tastes != the entire playerbase. Lots of people like the very sparse rotation with the flashy animations.
    Off course it’s popular it’s the third new class introduced in ew the other 2 new classes are popular also so what’s your point ?
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    EQ, EQ2, Darkfall, hardcore MMORPG player. After 15 year break returning as a casual player taking it slow this time.

  3. #73
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    Character
    Gabriel Morgan
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    Adamantoise
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 100
    Personally, I do think it's too simple now, but on the other hand it works with nearly zero jank (shields should be available whenever IMO) which is more than old SMN can say.

    I think its a good foundation. Personally, I think next expac should add shiva, ramuh, and leviathan as the summons post pheonix. And they should go wild with both the post summon attacks. Make them each do completely different things.
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  4. #74
    Player IdowhatIwant's Avatar
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    Character
    Jimbo Jimbo
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Summoner Lv 91
    I can understand people that liked the previous summoner being upset. That being said there isn't really anything wrong with a class being easy. If you find it boring or don't enjoy it there are 18 other classes you can try to find something the fits your gameplay style more.
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  5. #75
    Player Darthgummibear's Avatar
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    Character
    Angrypillow Duvall
    World
    Marilith
    Main Class
    Astrologian Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    I can understand people that liked the previous summoner being upset. That being said there isn't really anything wrong with a class being easy. If you find it boring or don't enjoy it there are 18 other classes you can try to find something the fits your gameplay style more.
    I heard almost exactly this for over a decade in WoW until pretty much every class had no depth or identity left. It's one of the reasons I left that game for good and I don't want to see that happen here.
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  6. #76
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    Character
    Tearagi Eruzure
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    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Blue Mage Lv 80
    Quote Originally Posted by IdowhatIwant View Post
    I can understand people that liked the previous summoner being upset. That being said there isn't really anything wrong with a class being easy. If you find it boring or don't enjoy it there are 18 other classes you can try to find something the fits your gameplay style more.
    yeah yeah, try another job. what other job is like ShB summoner pray tell? Have to narrow it down to casters immediately, you recommend RDM? BLM? Probably a tough question to answer seeing as nothing was or is like old SMN. This "try another job" garbage is just people deflecting criticism for a company that doesn't deserve the defense. They knew they'd catch the flak from the rework they aren't stupid, why do you feel the need to defend them? Do you really think they'll revert anything? You're obfuscating player opinion for nearly no reason.
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  7. #77
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    Character
    Pocket Prince
    World
    Famfrit
    Main Class
    White Mage Lv 57
    The main issue was that the previous version of Summoner was so complex that it was completely unapproachable to a good number of players, myself included.

    New SMN may be simple but everyone can understand and play it, and I think that was the goal.

    Personally, I think it's fun and interesting but I can see why people are upset.

    Hopefully they build upon this new foundation and it regains some of the complexity it had before eventually.
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    The menacing aura of every Lalafell.

  8. #78
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    kejakalope's Avatar
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    Character
    Calith Thrace
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by mathias-merodach View Post
    So, then it's okay to resemble a Warlock from Dungeons and Dragons then? So, you must have a problem with Reaper as well?
    local man lines up, takes shot, misses wildly, blows out window of own car
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  9. #79
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    Aelin Ashriver
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    Zodiark
    Main Class
    Monk Lv 100
    I want the silly phoenix excog replaced with an actual cool flashy dmg skill and some potency buffs so it is above RDM where it should be and the job is pretty perfect for me. I love the new summons and am interested to see what they add in the next expansion for it.
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  10. #80
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    kejakalope's Avatar
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    Calith Thrace
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    Balmung
    Main Class
    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by XmissionsX View Post
    Personally I do not completely understand the pre ew ff summoner was not a summoner motivation, and it’s upsetting to me, it sounds like ffxiv has had 10 years long a wrong smn class in there game, and after 10 years they corrected this by just removing the class without any apology just a almost jokingly comment that there will be 3 new classes. I found this extremely odd especially in Japan culture and I def didn’t laugh.
    They did. That's exactly correct. They had a mis-labeled job in the game for 8 years.

    Your grievances are the ones I feel the most for in the thread. The job you liked wasn't really anything like a summoner, but it's legit to have really enjoyed its play cadence. It sucks that you had to lose that job so that the game could deliver on the summoner all the old-school FF fans wanted from day one. I hope that in 7.0 we get a new caster with a smoother DoT-based playstyle, purpose-built for the fiction to represent the rotation, to replace what got taken away from you.
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