Has the WoW crowd taken over now?

[Floortank]

And yes, this is the famous "mostly" pleasant and friendly FFXIV community...

The people doing savage aren't even 1/100th of the community. Do you expect literally everyone to be perfect?

[Saraide]

The people doing savage aren't even 1/100th of the community. Do you expect literally everyone to be perfect?

25% of all players max level players at the time had a no-echo clear logged on e5s. So that 'not even 1/100th' number is just straight up a lie.

[Floortank]

25% of all players max level players at the time had a no-echo clear logged on e5s. So that 'not even 1/100th' number is just straight up a lie.

I'm gonna clue you in to something about FFLogs that might hurt your feelings.

100% of the people who have ever logged an attempt of E5S do savage.

[magtuired]

I thought this was about Duty Finder at first, in which case I would be a little worried and mad, but this is legit just how Party Finder has always been. Heck it's the way almost all raid tiers are in others games too.

[Saraide]

I'm gonna clue you in to something about FFLogs that might hurt your feelings.

100% of the people who have ever logged an attempt of E5S do savage.

If you want to clue me in on something you should have that clue yourself first. 25% of all max level players at the time. Now there are of course groups who dont upload their logs but that is only increasing the number of people who cleared. The person compiling those stats is comparing fflogs data against lodestone accounts.

[Makeda]

The people doing savage aren't even 1/100th of the community.

The reason WoW players think you can judge FFXIV community by the Savage PUG community is that in WoW there is no content outside of the newest raid and the newest M+ dungeons... Since FFXIV lacks M+, WoW players often think we have only half the content they do... when for FFXIV, people are out there doing all kinds of things to which, as you note, savage is only a tiny minority.

But if someone has spent their whole existence only seeing the color red, and you show up with blue, they will just label it as a new shade of red... It takes time for folks coming in from 'over there' to see that there is more than one color in the universe.


That noted the FFIXV Savage community, especially the PUG Savage community, is the rare area where FFXIV is vastly MORE TOXIC than WoW. WoW raiders are actually pretty nice. It's actually a good way to find nice people in WoW; join or start PUGs for the normal or heroic tier of the current raid - and you're likely to find or be able to start a new guild or raid static as the odds are good half of the people will be very nice and willing to put in time to learn.

WoW's toxicity is most severe in M+ dungeons these days, as well as in capital cities full of people spamming out racist or sexist stuff in trade chat while working to get into M+ groups...
- Join or start M+ groups over there, and you will want to schedule a session with a therapist afterwards...