Disappointed in one Endwalker Aspect [SPOILERS]

[Kordarion]

Given Venat knew about the future and decided to go ahead with it anyway, it can be argued that she's culpable for every rejoining, on top of every instance of suffering and death across the history of the 14 worlds. The latter was actually her intent, and the former was at least known by her and in the case of the First completely allowed to happen.

So do you consider the player character to be guilty of committing genocide then? After all by your logic the fact that we travel into the past, discover the cause of the final days but don't do anything to to stop it happening before returning to our time, and in fact are the reason why Venat sunders the world means that we are responsible for the sundering and every death that occurred as a result.

[OhNooo]

So do you consider the player character to be guilty of committing genocide then? After all by your logic the fact that we travel into the past, discover the cause of the final days but don't do anything to to stop it happening before returning to our time, and in fact are the reason why Venat sunders the world means that we are responsible for the sundering and every death that occurred as a result.

I actually hate the fact that they force our character to take part in this by going back in time to tell her what to do. I wish they did not have the time travel aspect at all.

[Kordarion]

I think it's kind of an unfair assertion to make, given the nature of time travel. We don't know Venat didn't do everything in her power to prevent the Rejoinings, it just so happens that our timeline exists as a consequence of the OG Final Days / Sundering / seven Rejoinings so we can't observe timelines where any of those didn't happen. You can propose staying in the past but Venat tells you not to because it could get dangerous (temporal paradox, ayy), but point is nothing we did or saw on Elpis could meaningfully alter the (relative) past. Elidibus warned us as much.

See that's the problem with time travel where you interact with people and places in the past, you are actively making decisions that have impacts on the future, regardless of weather you pull a G'raha and create branching timelines or do as we did in Elpis and create a time loop. As such I'm arguing that according to the stated logic of a person being responsible for every consequence of an action they take, no matter how matter how spatially or temporally distant from said action, that according to said logic that we must be responsible for genocide. As it was our actions in the past that lead to Venat knowing of the future and of the final days which lead to her sundering the world and therefore every element of suffering in the sundered world. I would like to add that I don't personally believe that is the case, its simply what I'm inferring from the stated logic of someone being blamed for any event that links to any action they take.

I actually hate the fact that they force our character to take part in this by going back in time to tell her what to do. I wish they did not have the time travel aspect at all.

And I respect that you have a problem with our characters being a part of the lead up to the first final days and the sundering, it is a very morally grey part of the story. I am however interested in what other option you believe we could have had, how else we could have stopped Meteion and the song of oblivion? How else could we have saved our friends and world without returning to the past and discovering its source? Or would you have had us abandon the scions, the source and its reflections to their fate to save the unsudered world?

[Veloran]

So do you consider the player character to be guilty of committing genocide then? After all by your logic the fact that we travel into the past, discover the cause of the final days but don't do anything to to stop it happening before returning to our time, and in fact are the reason why Venat sunders the world means that we are responsible for the sundering and every death that occurred as a result.

WoL at least did tell everyone and can even offer to stay and help before leaving Elpis. Venat convinced them not to.

But yes, WoL also being partly culpable in this is quite an issue people have had with the story.