Samurai's new FUKO skill is problematic, and here's why.

[wereotter]

"Please fix me having to move for one skill in my dungeon pulls"

Meanwhile other jobs also have to do exactly the same. Enlightenment is a line AOE, and for years monk's rockbreaker was conal (in addition to arm of the destroyer and elixir field being circular, and howling fist being linear) And while dragoon's kit is mostly linear, stardiver and dragonfire dive are linear and take the monk to the enemy targeted making them have to move to get back where they need to be for linear skills.

[SaberMaxwell]

Another advantage radial AoEs have over conal is the lack of necessity for a target. In a jumbled mass of enemies, tabbing to the right enemy to maximize the usefulness of the conal can be difficult, especially if enemies keep dying and you need to keep re-targeting and adjusting your position. With a radial AoE, one just plants as close to the middle as they can and blasts away.

In this way, I was surprised that Tenka Goken wasn't likewise upgraded to be radial as well as Fuko, so I guess my brain kind of ran the opposite direction that yours did here.

[Shurrikhan]

Another advantage radial AoEs have over conal is the lack of necessity for a target.

Technically, that's just a matter of not having any targetless conal AoEs as of yet. It's an advantage of a targetless AoE, which thus far all happen to be self-radial, over a targeted AoE, which can be of any shape (from-target radial, at-target conal, or at-target linear).

I would love to see the ability, such as just via Character Config, to not require targets for all but from-target radial AoEs, ideally with a command line one could use to toggle that setting. But, if given the choice between a targeted skill and a targetless skill with half its range, I'll take the slight annoyance of targeting.

[Xtro99]

The only thing Samurai needs are buffs. The aoe rotation has never been better and more satisfying to play.

FR, mechanically, SAM is leagues better than it was in SHB. The only problem I see is that SAMs damage is subpar compared to other melee jobs that do as much if not higher dmg AND have group utility, basically making SAM an irrelevant job.

[Shurrikhan]

FR, mechanically, SAM is leagues better than it was in SHB. The only problem I see is that SAMs damage is subpar compared to other melee jobs that do as much if not higher dmg AND have group utility, basically making SAM an irrelevant job.

SAM literally has the highest rDPS Ex1 parse in the game right now. There's just a huge difference between the best SAM player and those behind them at the moment. If Bagel were to give the Ex2 another parsed go with a good group (the current leads have no one under a 97th percentile, and only one person under 99th, instead of multiple below 30th), you'd likely see SAM neck and neck with or surpassing the current lead, a Monk.

Ideally, SAM should slightly surpass Monk, as the latter has Mantra (Brotherhood is already accounted for in rDPS; SAM already has a ~4% lead over RPR and ~6% lead over MNK for aDPS), but SAM is far from having been made "irrelevant"; its rDPS, even down at the 80th percentile, is barely over half a percent from Monk's, which is smaller than the typical difference between any two runs by the same player on the same job in the same party.

[StarryEspresso]

"Please fix me having to move for one skill in my dungeon pulls"

Meanwhile other jobs also have to do exactly the same. Enlightenment is a line AOE, and for years monk's rockbreaker was conal (in addition to arm of the destroyer and elixir field being circular, and howling fist being linear) And while dragoon's kit is mostly linear, stardiver and dragonfire dive are linear and take the monk to the enemy targeted making them have to move to get back where they need to be for linear skills.

Hi, the main point of the post is that Tenka Goken is a cast, and I have boldened that in the post as well many times. Casting and moving is a little different to moving while using instant GCDs, it's less feasible due to the fact that it's a technical restraint rather than the player's skill in moving to align AOEs.

[StarryEspresso]

Another advantage radial AoEs have over conal is the lack of necessity for a target. In a jumbled mass of enemies, tabbing to the right enemy to maximize the usefulness of the conal can be difficult, especially if enemies keep dying and you need to keep re-targeting and adjusting your position. With a radial AoE, one just plants as close to the middle as they can and blasts away.

In this way, I was surprised that Tenka Goken wasn't likewise upgraded to be radial as well as Fuko, so I guess my brain kind of ran the opposite direction that yours did here.

That's a very good point and another great pro to having circular AOEs!

[Rongway]

Technically, that's just a matter of not having any targetless conal AoEs as of yet. It's an advantage of a targetless AoE, which thus far all happen to be self-radial,

Blue Mage has a lot of targetless cones and they are supremely annoying to use because I expect my character to face target before performing a cone attack because why would I want to cone the empty space to the side of the group after I've adjusted my position so that I can hit the whole group with my cone.

[Ryaz]

SAM literally has the highest rDPS Ex1 parse in the game right now. There's just a huge difference between the best SAM player and those behind them at the moment. If Bagel were to give the Ex2 another parsed go with a good group (the current leads have no one under a 97th percentile, and only one person under 99th, instead of multiple below 30th), you'd likely see SAM neck and neck with or surpassing the current lead, a Monk.

Ideally, SAM should slightly surpass Monk, as the latter has Mantra (Brotherhood is already accounted for in rDPS; SAM already has a ~4% lead over RPR and ~6% lead over MNK for aDPS), but SAM is far from having been made "irrelevant"; its rDPS, even down at the 80th percentile, is barely over half a percent from Monk's, which is smaller than the typical difference between any two runs by the same player on the same job in the same party.

That seems surprising considering Reaper and Monk were destroying everyone else in the two Ex Trials. And FFLogs is showing Reaper at the top followed by several monks. There are 9 Sam's on the chart and the first one is at 43 for rdps.

Did you mean aDPS?

[Shurrikhan]

That seems surprising considering Reaper and Monk were destroying everyone else in the two Ex Trials. And FFLogs is showing Reaper at the top followed by several monks. There are 9 Sam's on the chart and the first one is at 43 for rdps.

Did you mean aDPS?

No, I meant rDPS. At the time of posting, Bacon, on SAM, had the top Zodiark parse. He's since been pushed off the top 10, but there are 3 more SAM parses atop his old parse. SAM's by no means out of the running.

At time of writing this post, SAM has the highest DPS and aDPS parses still, yes, but also the 2nd highest rDPS parse, only 60 rDPS below the top place (which is in turn 88 over the next-best MNK parse and 98 over the best RPR parse).