Disappointed in one Endwalker Aspect [SPOILERS]

[QT_Melon]

There is nothing in game that supports this.

Uhh, the ENDING of the story? As far a no one else...true....I suppose


Though I do feel her plan also had to be contingent on letting certain people be villains. Which probably makes it more interesting in her not speaking ill of Elidibus, as he had to play his part in order for the plan to work :P

[Hatfright]

Depends on your perspective, is Meteion winning really such a bad thing? Is there any point to saving a planet that has seen countless slaughters and evils from different species living there and will continue to do that even after this threat has been dealt with? Is it really worth it?

"Why not let Reapers harvest the whole galaxy every 50k years, we're going to die or eff ourselves anyway".

[Cleretic]

There is nothing in game that supports this.

Emet-Selch says this, directly.

[Alleo]

Why would Emet sacrifice his own people he's trying to make whole again through rejoinings? He says to the WoL during the lift cutscene, "Should you survive the remaining calamities, you will become our equal. A complete existence in a complete world."

Well he said it so who knows. Maybe we as the Wol being Azem were special and he may have hoped that we would join them again. But he says that the rest of the source will be sacrificied and when everyone looked angry he was all like "are you angry that you will be offered to Zodiark?". So yes for me that means that he included all the people that would have survived.

And about the second sacrifice. The races that seemingly exist on the first and the source (and the 13 shard too seeing those survivors) must have existed before the sundering to be on all those split planets. For me it makes the most sense that they existed either as new races when Zodiark brought life back or they were created as kind of familiars by the Ancient.

[Veloran]

Yes, there were a lot of variables that Venat did not and could not have accounted for. But that's because her "plan" was not a intricate rube goldberg machine she set up for us to follow. Her plan only went as far as making sure there was someone stronger than her, who could travel to Ultima Thule and confront Meteion.

Why didn't her plan account for someone being faster than her? You know, since Meteion could easily just... Run away and never be caught?

Emet-Selch says this, directly.

Emet-Selch also says that his ideals were inviolably correct, that the Ancients did have the will to live, and that Venat's plan had him showing up at the very end as a lynchpin. And a lot of arguments at play in this thread rely on ignoring all of these things.

[KariTheFox]

Why didn't her plan account for someone being faster than her? You know, since Meteion could easily just... Run away and never be caught?

Well, first of all. The Ragnorak and presuambly the moon ship were both pretty fast. The WoL could just walk back to the Ragnorak and ask the bunnies to chase that bird if it came to that.

And Meteion running away from her nest means running away from all the dynamis and siphoned souls that were powering the final days.

Edit: Also, frankly. I think you're picking nits to sidestep my point that Venat ultimately, is putting her faith and trust in us to do what she couldn't.

[Veloran]

Well, first of all. The Ragnorak and presuambly the moon ship were both pretty fast. The WoL could just walk back to the Ragnorak and ask the bunnies to chase that bird if it came to that.

The ship doesn't have infinite fuel. Even if Meteion ran, she could just gather the Dynamis back to her and restart the Final Days at a later date.

Edit: Also, frankly. I think you're picking nits to sidestep my point that Venat ultimately, is putting her faith and trust in us to do what she couldn't.

She's very selectively faithful.

[Cleretic]

Emet-Selch also says that his ideals were inviolably correct, that the Ancients did have the will to live, and that Venat's plan had him showing up at the very end as a lynchpin. And a lot of arguments at play in this thread rely on ignoring all of these things.

Yeah, his whole thing there was basically 'I admit your plan worked, and that I'm probably here right now as part of it, but that doesn't mean I have to like it'. Emet-Selch was also a man of his principles, even if his principles caused genocides, and even in death (and rebirth, and death again) refused to betray them.

Neither side capitulated on their morals. Nor should they have; neither side was cleanly and definitively morally right, even if one side happened to be strategically right. That's the whole idea of that conflict, and why it is intentionally left an open question: even though her plan worked, it may not have been the morally right thing to do.

[Veloran]

Neither side capitulated on their morals. Nor should they have; neither side was cleanly and definitively morally right, even if one side happened to be strategically right. That's the whole idea of that conflict, and why it is intentionally left an open question: even though her plan worked, it may not have been the morally right thing to do.

Yeah, not so sure that's how it's presented. I'm also not so sure that an argument of strategy can even be made when one side didn't even know they were in a war while the other was given a roadmap.

[KizuyaKatogami]

Yeah, not so sure that's how it's presented. I'm also not so sure that an argument of strategy can even be made when one side didn't even know they were in a war while the other was given a roadmap.

Agreed. I think a major issue people have is while the game may mean one thing…it certainly isn’t presented that way. Hence why i keep saying it just seems like a heavily biased stance.