The MSQ Endwalker Trial Bosses are WAY too hard for newer players to FFXIV

[DinahDemiurge]

Huh? You're not really a new player anymore if you're this far into the MSQ.

[Derio]

End Walker. By now you should have gone through 50+ Dungeons and 30+ Trials and seen dozen of mechanics by now and know decent fight tactics. Not exactly a new player anymore once that sprout icon disappears

[skooma_dealer]

I find the msq difficulty of the last two expansions are pretty balanced, I guess. It absolutely isn't hard, but you need to concentrate a bit to win these fights. ESO comes instantly to my mind, when I'm thinking about dumbed down difficulty - you become so powerful there at some point, that you can defeat gods before they even finish their dialogue. This isn't even an exaggeration: the story boss is lying dead while still speaking, lol. Imagine this bs in FF.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

The simple fact remains, the Trials in EW are nowhere near EX/Savage level content. They are perfectly balanced for the point of the game they are encountered at, the final 10 levels. If you've gone 80 levels to that point and still cannot do the mechanics that are present and know how to survive them after a few attempts of learning (Because wipes happen, will happen, and are to be expected in any new content), then that is entirely on the player's fault. It's not the fault of the trial.

This argument of just wanting a skip button and only caring about the story makes no sense. Why bother playing the game and paying a sub fee if all the player wants is to watch what equates to an MSQ compilation video on youtube.

There is absolutely nothing in any of these trials that takes anything more than an hour to learn, at the maximum, if the effort/desire is there.

Also, it is not "gatekeeping", "git gud", "harassing someone else's play", etc... for expecting at least a foundational level of competency when you are above level 80 and encountering these trials. No one is expecting a player who has no interesting in raiding to treat these normal trials like they need to nail a 100% perfect rotation and dodge every single non-one-shot mechanic. You can screw up. You can die and get rezzed. As long as one is making an effort, I'm pretty sure the rest of the party *will not care*.

I do not understand this lazy mentality of basically wanting what equates to the game playing itself. Asking for skips/dumbing down to tank&spank levels of difficulty is counter productive to the point of playing the game. The challenge level is not overly high. It's not Dark Souls. It's not punishing. It's just asking for basic, foundational concepts that have been shown to the player over and over from levels 1-80, to be done again in a different coat of paint in the EW trials.

[SenorPatty]

@Poster above

Because some people forget this is a (mmo)rpg game, not an interactive movie. Some effort is actually required to clear those types of games. It's even more ironic when you realize some of these same people would actually put in the work if it was a single player game.

[Gullis]

I never felt it was any harder than other trials from stormblood and up.

[Jennah]

I find the msq difficulty of the last two expansions are pretty balanced, I guess. It absolutely isn't hard, but you need to concentrate a bit to win these fights. ESO comes instantly to my mind, when I'm thinking about dumbed down difficulty - you become so powerful there at some point, that you can defeat gods before they even finish their dialogue. This isn't even an exaggeration: the story boss is lying dead while still speaking, lol. Imagine this bs in FF.

So, Rhiatyn? Or Gaius before he had the "this cutscene cannot be skipped" power?

[LilyPendragon]

Brief digression, but I actually don't think you should be able to get anything in roulette you haven't cleared, regardless of anything else in this thread. (I.e., anything that has the checkmark on it in Duty Finder.) To put this another way: if Player A has just unlocked the next story dungeon, I don't think leveling roulette should be able to give them that dungeon until they've queued into it directly and cleared it that way.

I think this is already the case, I don't think you can get something you haven't cleared in a roulette.

[skooma_dealer]

So, Rhiatyn? Or Gaius before he had the "this cutscene cannot be skipped" power?

These two instances (and castrum too) are just poorly designed. At least SE doesn't do stuff like this anymore in msq.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

I think this is already the case, I don't think you can get something you haven't cleared in a roulette.

I don't believe it is the case. I've gotten an unlocked normal raid before and not having ran it yet. Taken me for quite the surprise when it has happened.