Often people say that Dark Knight is in a bad spot, but what other Jobs...

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Summoner potency should be modified a little bit, and that's likely. Many jobs will get some numbers changes at most.



Wrong. Scholar is pretty good, and not even last on healer pDPS

I'd say SMN needs a bit more than just a few potency tweaks. Phoenix is a straight up loss of DPS just by unlocking it. Rekindle is a useless heal/hot that is situational in almost all instances, with the exception of maybe helping out during trash packs in dungeons (And most tanks don't need that extra help anyway). Unlocking phoenix replaces the second Bahamut summon in the rotation so SMN's lose the second Deathflare. I'd like to see Rekindle moved to a stack morph of Physick instead (Giving that useless, archaic holdover a use) with like a 30 second duration on the stack hold, to make it more useful of when to drop it (Don't have to change a single thing about what the current Rekindle actually does in terms of its heal/hot potencies, just moving it to a morph of physick and giving you 30 seconds to decide when to use it is INFINITELY better than where it is currently), and give Phoenix's Astral Flow morph a Deathflare like damage potency. Energy drain going back to 30 seconds over 60 would also help out, as they are the only OGCD's SMN currently has to weave other than Mountain Buster during Titan.

[Rhysati]

Your experience suggests confirmation bias.

If you wipe in a big pull with a DRK, and your only thought is "omg DRK bad", you're overlooking other potential causes.

1) DRK player isn't mitigating correctly.
2) Healer isn't healing correctly.
3) DPS aren't DPSing correctly.
4) Combinations of the above.

I've partied with two different DRKs from 80->90 in Endwalker so far, and neither one of them had a single problem doing wallpulls.

You can say this all you like, but my favorite tank was always DRK. My best friend on the game also plays DRK. I've had a lot of experience healing them as well as every other tank and without even needing to think I can tell you that healing DRK is MUCH harder for a Sage. Mostly because DRK's mitigation is with shields and so is Sage's healing. Every other tank does a ton of self-healing that allows Sage the chance to breath after throwing out a shield. With DRK is a non-stop neverending effort to keep them up.

When 3 out of 4 tanks allow you to relax, watch some netflix while you run, and be otherwise impaired and that 4th tank requires you to be intensely focused, alert, and watching your mana so you don't run out from spamming weak heals at them the whole run...it's clear there is a start contrast between the tanks.

[Katt_Felista]

Physical mitigation of the DRK is the lowest of all tanks, healers suffer with him, i know it for leveling it first, even WHM were hating it (well, especially in big pulls and i played my drk in savages in shadowbringers) then i leveled WAR (complete night and day change from the DRK's mitigation and tankability) PLD , and now i'm leveling Gunbreaker.

I Think DRK is just okay as damage dealer offtank and dead last in tanking now. It wasn't very good at tanking in ShadowBringers, they managed to make it worse by dividing it's mitigation potency and spreading it into uselss skills that provide you with "bits" of your mitigation that aren't as good as if not scattered this way.

Machinist got no skills, just nothing new, no worthy addition, this class is just as good as abandonned, and i liked playing it. (yaaay they replaced the aoe skill for a shotgun skill , but it exactly does the same, and you get the usual passive + dmg buff that means you are more of a lvl 90 to a 80 because, passive boost lel.)

War = best tanking and self healing, god of self healing with very very good damage.
PLD = best tanking too, good self healing more polyvalence in mitigs now, with interesting but too much "hits" combo into his new biggest damage dealing abilities, so much so it suffers like the gunbreaker of a 50 to 60%chance of never ending your combo before an attack or something forcing you to stay out of reach happens in the fight, destroying your uptime at critical times.
GBR = pretty good on mitigs, average on self healing would be good on damage if his most potent skill rotation wasn't tied to a 5 to 6 skill combo that is broken 80% of the time for most boss's fight.
DRK = Bad phys mitig, just "okay" magic mitig - the worst weak / almost useless self healing , pretty huge damage output whatever you punch through, a no brain offtank job

[kejakalope]

You can say this all you like, but my favorite tank was always DRK. My best friend on the game also plays DRK. I've had a lot of experience healing them as well as every other tank and without even needing to think I can tell you that healing DRK is MUCH harder for a Sage. Mostly because DRK's mitigation is with shields and so is Sage's healing. Every other tank does a ton of self-healing that allows Sage the chance to breath after throwing out a shield. With DRK is a non-stop neverending effort to keep them up.

When 3 out of 4 tanks allow you to relax, watch some netflix while you run, and be otherwise impaired and that 4th tank requires you to be intensely focused, alert, and watching your mana so you don't run out from spamming weak heals at them the whole run...it's clear there is a start contrast between the tanks.

Otoh, DRK absolutely laughs at tankbusters and can do so all day every day and twice on sunday. There's nuances to different jobs in different content across the game.

[Wolwosh]

When 3 out of 4 tanks allow you to relax, watch some netflix while you run, and be otherwise impaired and that 4th tank requires you to be intensely focused, alert, and watching your mana so you don't run out from spamming weak heals at them the whole run...it's clear there is a start contrast between the tanks.

Maybe thats because most DRK's you meet are bad, most DRK's I meet only use TBN as a defensive cooldown.
Rampart/Shadow Wall etc I feel most of them don't even have on their hotbar, because I never see them used, and I pay attention to it.

[Rein_eon_Osborne]

Mostly because DRK's mitigation is with shields and so is Sage's healing. Every other tank does a ton of self-healing that allows Sage the chance to breath after throwing out a shield. With DRK is a non-stop neverending effort to keep them up.

If a SGE has to keep up shields to a degree of “neverending effort”, then that’s more like an issue of inadequate performance from the tank and/or the SGE, rather than job issue.

Some wall pulls will flat out slap SGE’s hard if their line of defenses are simply ‘keeping up shields’. They are far stronger than just at shielding.

DRK has the worst self sustainability in dungeon pulls, but that doesn’t mean they will constantly needing ‘heal spams’ from their healers.

[Vortuna]

I'm still not a fan of aetherflow being tied to damage.

[Tanis_Ebonhart]

I'd say SMN needs a bit more than just a few potency tweaks. Phoenix is a straight up loss of DPS just by unlocking it. Rekindle is a useless heal/hot that is situational in almost all instances, with the exception of maybe helping out during trash packs in dungeons (And most tanks don't need that extra help anyway). Unlocking phoenix replaces the second Bahamut summon in the rotation so SMN's lose the second Deathflare. I'd like to see Rekindle moved to a stack morph of Physick instead (Giving that useless, archaic holdover a use) with like a 30 second duration on the stack hold, to make it more useful of when to drop it (Don't have to change a single thing about what the current Rekindle actually does in terms of its heal/hot potencies, just moving it to a morph of physick and giving you 30 seconds to decide when to use it is INFINITELY better than where it is currently), and give Phoenix's Astral Flow morph a Deathflare like damage potency. Energy drain going back to 30 seconds over 60 would also help out, as they are the only OGCD's SMN currently has to weave other than Mountain Buster during Titan.

Summoner seems like it has a good base to work upon. It just needs more life action and time... I hope this will lead to future developments as I have heard numerous Summoner mains say that it feels like it's missing something.

I'm not sure what though.

[NautiaHadas]

DRK doesn't even take damage because of TBN, unless they forgot to put it on their hotbar.

Did you main DRK through EW? Do you know how painful it is to do dungeon and pray that your healer can keep you up?

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Did you main DRK through EW? Do you know how painful it is to do dungeon and pray that your healer can keep you up?

There's this odd mentality that TBN is like the god amongst mitigation CD's by people who haven't even read it's tooltip. It's an odd perception.