So you're telling me..

[Kazimere]

We literally have the logs showing that reaper is absolutely over performing. It by an far has significantly more raid utility than DRG and NIN and its destroying both in both rDPS and aDPS and in most fights its outperforming MNK and SAM (MNK being another job that needs a nerf to bring it down to DRG/NIN levels)

You’re literally wrong. I can literally see the same logs as you.

[Ransu]

You’re literally wrong. I can literally see the same logs as you.

Ok buddy lol. Reaper is getting nerfed regardless so I guess this is a moot point.

[IruruCece]

You’re literally wrong. I can literally see the same logs as you.

You have a track record of misinterpreting tooltips we all literally have access to, so you misinterpreting FFLogs isn't exactly outside your wheelhouse.

[Gruntler]

You have a track record of misinterpreting tooltips we all literally have access to, so you misinterpreting FFLogs isn't exactly outside your wheelhouse.

There's someone in this thread that's trying to use top adps logs as any sort of statement on job balance and you're on this guy's ass?

ADPS only measures skill within a job when compared within a job. It has nothing to do with balance. It should never be brought up in a balance discussion.

What matters is ability-to-clear. Not an ability to top meters (that's player driven not game-driven), not the 99th percentile, but the output of players across a spectrum of skill levels so they can clear.

'But but but week one savage clears'

They don't balance around week one savage clears either. They balance around a longer timeline for savage clears.

SE literally does not give a shit about orange parsing or parsing. They care about clears.

[IruruCece]

There's someone in this thread that's trying to use top adps logs as any sort of statement on job balance and you're on this guy's ass?

Yes, I am riding on the guy who deliberately misinterprets the data across the entire spectrum, in game tooltips, makes appeals to emotion while simultaneously decrying any arguments against his statements as appeals to emotion, and has actively admitted to just being here to troll and has also admitted that maybe the job he's been defending in this thread might actually be easier to play while paradoxically getting angry about that very fact being pointed out. You got another question for me? Maybe a relevant contribution to the discussion? Or are you just here to play defense for a self-admitted troll?

[Kazimere]

Yes, I am riding on the guy who deliberately misinterprets the data across the entire spectrum, in game tooltips, makes appeals to emotion while simultaneously decrying any arguments against his statements as appeals to emotion, and has actively admitted to just being here to troll and has also admitted that maybe the job he's been defending in this thread might actually be easier to play while paradoxically getting angry about that very fact being pointed out. You got another question for me? Maybe a relevant contribution to the discussion? Or are you just here to play defense for a self-admitted troll?

What in game tooltips have I misrepresented? What appeals to emotion am I making? I said I was trolling a person. What does that have to with trolling the conversation as a whole? What am I getting angry about? Let’s not make blatantly obvious straw men, please.

[IruruCece]

What in game tooltips have I misrepresented? What appeals to emotion am I making? I said I was trolling a person. What does that have to with trolling the conversation as a whole? What am I getting angry about? Let’s not make blatantly obvious straw men, please.

Oh, please. Don't come crawling back into a conversation you claimed you were "done" with to play victim when you have wasted everyone's time with your singular brand of BS.

[Kolsykol]

Oh, please. Don't come crawling back into a conversation you claimed you were "done" with to play victim when you have wasted everyone's time with your singular brand of BS.

This guy reminds me so much of people who obsessively watch Youtube and Twitch '' debates '' lol, or Twitter arguments.
He got a few buzzwords he loves to throw out as an '' I win '' button that don't actually apply at all.

[Kazimere]

There's someone in this thread that's trying to use top adps logs as any sort of statement on job balance and you're on this guy's ass?

ADPS only measures skill within a job when compared within a job. It has nothing to do with balance. It should never be brought up in a balance discussion.

What matters is ability-to-clear. Not an ability to top meters (that's player driven not game-driven), not the 99th percentile, but the output of players across a spectrum of skill levels so they can clear.

'But but but week one savage clears'

They don't balance around week one savage clears either. They balance around a longer timeline for savage clears.

SE literally does not give a shit about orange parsing or parsing. They care about clears.

That is not true. They all matter. rDPS isn’t the end all. It’s just what people think matters most because it’s what ff logs uses to rank. Now, what SE uses to balance I have no idea.

[Scuoll]

That is not true. They all matter. rDPS isn’t the end all. It’s just what people think matters most because it’s what ff logs uses to rank. Now, what SE uses to balance I have no idea.

I think people look at rdps because that is the fairest assesment of how much damage you contributed to killing the boss, it's weird because it gives credit to the buffer instead of maybe a samurai playing perfectly and boosting your rdps, so performance wise your rdps is at least kinda out of your control, but when it comes to balance it shows how good your buffs can be, which coming back to the discussion, shows reaper's buff to be pretty good, i dont see why you should disregard that, this is literally just a fact, it is barely worse than battle litany while rpr's adps is way higher than drg.