So you're telling me..

[Quintessa]

The problem people have with reaper is your inputs barely make a difference, again as demonstrated by the statistics, the difference between a good RPR and a mediocre one is not that big but the difference between the same good and mediocre players on another job is much bigger, reapers hardly get punished for mistakes or not seizing an opportunity.

Let's not pretend freestyle reapers don't exist and/or the ones who don't use SoD/WoD or even enter enshroud.

But yes, Yoshida please nerf RPR, so people can STFU about it. Good Lord..

[Kolsykol]

Let's not pretend freestyle reapers don't exist and/or the ones who don't use SoD/WoD or even enter enshroud.

But yes, Yoshida please nerf RPR, so people can STFU about it. Good Lord..

I mean don't you think that it's quite telling that a mediocre/ bad Reaper needs to essentially go as far as to intentionally not enter Enshroud etc?
It's like a SAM not using Midare Setsugekka and Tsubame Gaeshi levels of bad but that's as far as it has to go to make a real difference.

I dunno wtf a '' freestyle Reaper '' is either, they're so on rails that I genuinely have no clue.
The only way you could freestyle Reaper is if you didn't use your abilities on CD and for some reason decided that it was a good idea to not use Gallows until 20 sec after it came off CD or something.
To some extent '' freestyle '' is built into Reaper inherently but I think calling it that is perhaps pushing it a bit.

Like the difference between a good BLM and a medicore or even okay one is very noticeable.
The difference for Reaper isn't really noticeable pretty much at all, people who never use Enshroud are just on a different level of bad beneath mediocre or they're intentionally playing poorly.
Maybe people want to argue that using AC on AoE makes a Reaper good but imo that'd be an incredibly low bar that's just rly basic common sense stuff.

[Maverick_Haas]

I dunno wtf a '' freestyle Reaper '' is either, they're so on rails that I genuinely have no clue.
The only way you could freestyle Reaper is if you didn't use your abilities on CD and for some reason decided that it was a good idea to not use Gallows until 20 sec after it came off CD or something.
To some extent '' freestyle '' is built into Reaper inherently but I think calling it that is perhaps pushing it a bit.

I usually let people off about this kind of thing, but not while discussing whether or not RPR is "easy" and/or needs to be nerfed and by how far. You just demonstrated you don't know how RPR plays.
You could have simply looked up which ability(s) had important CDs, hell even look at The Balance documents for RPR. But no, you had to be lazy and showed you don't know how the job is played.

I expect that, if you're going to call the job easy, you know how to play the job. Else I really think you should do the minimal and look up a guide or something. Here's the full doc on RPR.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...rlWC5DXdU/edit

[Kolsykol]

I usually let people off about this kind of thing, but not while discussing whether or not RPR is "easy" and/or needs to be nerfed and by how far. You just demonstrated you don't know how RPR plays.
You could have simply looked up which ability(s) had important CDs, hell even look at The Balance documents for RPR. But no, you had to be lazy and showed you don't know how the job is played.

I expect that, if you're going to call the job easy, you know how to play the job. Else I really think you should do the minimal and look up a guide or something. Here's the full doc on RPR.
https://docs.google.com/document/d/1...rlWC5DXdU/edit

I am not sure what you think that I was saying or why you decided to bold that part.
Are you trying to tell me that not using Gallows and letting it sit off CD for 20 sec is a thing because I have an extremely hard time believing that is an actual thing.

I know how the Job plays and believe it or not I actually do play it.
Just because I think it should be nerfed and that it's the easiest melee doesn't mean that I don't play it.

Edit: I actually meant Gluttony so replace Gallows with Gluttony.
Gallows, Gibbet, Gluttony all generic names starting with G I got them mixed up.

[Maverick_Haas]

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No, you don't know how to play RPR. If you did, you would know that Gallows doesn't have a CD.
It's an instant ability that requires soul reaver stack. You're probably thinking about gluttony, but anyone who actually plays RPR would have known that.

Please stop talking like you know RPR.

[IruruCece]

No, you don't know how to play RPR. If you did, you would know that Gallows doesn't have a CD.
It's an instant ability that requires soul reaver stack. You're probably thinking about gluttony, but anyone who actually plays RPR would have known that.

Please stop talking like you know RPR.

If you believe so strongly that anyone who discusses anything on these forums should know what they're doing in game, it's astounding you have 61 posts.

[Maverick_Haas]

If you believe so strongly that anyone who discusses anything on these forums should know what they're doing in game, it's astounding you have 61 posts.

There's way more to the social parts of this game than just this forum. I rarely post here and rather post in Discords such as my FC, static, The Balance, or DC related discords, in game (linkshells and such).
There's Also reddit, gamefaq, twitter... This forum isn't "the place to be" but so happens to be where this discussion is taking place.

And yeah, when we're talking about the complexity of a class, I expect you to know how the class works. Know the openers, know the burst phases, know the difference between Gallows and Gluttony because it's important to know the difference. Otherwise it sounds like you're repeating what someone else said whether it's true or not. How about we stop spreading misinformation?

[ZiraZ]

No, you don't know how to play RPR. If you did, you would know that Gallows doesn't have a CD.
It's an instant ability that requires soul reaver stack. You're probably thinking about gluttony, but anyone who actually plays RPR would have known that.

Please stop talking like you know RPR.

Weren't you the one that thought AC was a single 100 potency heal and didn't know how damage/heal over time spells worked and said it "MNK's mantra is equal if not absolutely better than Arcane Crest" back in page 11 while defending AC as perfectly balanced utility?
he clearly made a typo and a 10 second search reveals he plays reaper

[Kolsykol]

No, you don't know how to play RPR. If you did, you would know that Gallows doesn't have a CD.
It's an instant ability that requires soul reaver stack. You're probably thinking about gluttony, but anyone who actually plays RPR would have known that.

Please stop talking like you know RPR.

I edited my comment before you responded to me literally saying that I meant Gluttony.
Like I said all three begins with G and have generic names, I mean I thought it was pretty obvious that I mixed up the names regardless but instead you decided to jump to the less likely scenario.
You can see that I have Reaper at 90 do you honestly think that I took it to 90 and did all of the current content in EW on it without knowing how Gallows and Gibbet work?

[Maverick_Haas]

I edited my comment before you responded to me literally saying that I meant Gluttony.
Like I said all three begins with G and have generic names, I mean I thought it was pretty obvious that I mixed up the names regardless but instead you decided to jump to the less likely scenario.
You can see that I have Reaper at 90 do you honestly think that I took it to 90 and did all of the current content in EW on it without knowing how Gallows and Gibbet work?

You know what, you're right. You have my most sincere apology, I'm sorry.

I should not have snapped on you like that. It wasn't fair for me to jump to conclusions on a typo and assume that you were trying to pull one over on me.
I think it's fair to say I need to step away from this discussion for a bit to sort my thoughts out.

I hope you have a better day than I am.