PvP Rewards; 6.1 and beyond.

[PotatoTree]

Also I want to mention you won't hear a lot of opinions from actual pvpers here, most pvpers are just tired of arguing with PvErs who never played the game mode or just lack the skill level to do so. And especially when people just parrot insanely wrong facts like "all of PvPaissa are wintraders" or "people bragging about wintrading on their livestream". Like where do we even go from here when you say stuff like that, it's like you started off the argument by saying the moon is made of cheese as an actual fact.

Yoshi P said the old top 100 rewards were going to remain exclusive. It makes sense from a competitive standpoint and how the game mode was advertised. I love this game and I've been playing since 1.0, but honestly if he walks back on this I would definitely think about quitting as it's just such a huge betrayal since I supported the game and participated in the game mode under the assumption he would keep his word.

The simple solution for everyone is to just introduce newer and better rewards.

[PaizuriFF]

You sound like a wintrader, typicaly PvPer, sad that you guys got rewarded for playing a dead game mode

[Chelsee]

[Anhra]

Let me give you an example of how removed from reality this statement is: "It wouldn't surprise me if the whole Balance Discord is full of people who buy all their clears."(This might be true idk) I would really like to hear any sort of actual evidence you have on any of the stuff you spewed out. I assume either yourself or someone you know got told once how they could play better in PVP, got mad, left all discords, never improved, didn't make top100, and got madge.

Ah yes, there it is, a S19 Armor Gatekeeper.

The last thing i gotta do, is justifying myself on the internet, so take things as you will.

A Discord Channel pretending to work for the "good" of PvP in general seems to be too good of a perfect disguise, dont you think?

[Nanne]

A Discord Channel pretending to work for the "good" of PvP in general seems to be too good of a perfect disguise, dont you think?

Curious about how does this work? Paissa is a public channel with 19 000 members while leaderboards only fit a 100

[Skiros]

I got t100 on my main last season, and I think the rewards shouldn't stay exclusive. That being said, the past seasonal rewards should IMO require skill. The reason why I think the reward structure isn't necessarily great is because of FOMO. All else equal, seasons with bad rewards tend to have less player participation while seasons with better rewards tend to have more.

The solution IMO is to create a token rewarded for a seasonal t100, tradeable for any past seasonal reward. This prevents the FOMO and means that all rewards are obtainable forever, but still require skill.

Cheating, wintrading, and speedhacking is a problem with the STF, not the incentive structure.

[Skiros]

My issue with Feast though, is that the community is too small because SE has not really put a lot of effort into growing it. This leads to so many issues:

- MMR can become very imbalanced because of the small player pool
- FOMO: you either get to gold in the first few weeks or not at all.
- Too many cliques and drama. With a larger community it's usually easier to avoid the weird cliques and drama.

I don't think I'll be seriously PvPing anymore outside of doing Frontlines with friends. The game mode itself was really fun but parts of the community honestly ruined it for me.

[Praesul]

The game needs more exclusivity, not less. If the issue is that pvp is "special" then the solution is to add special titles or glamour to high end pve challenges. Special titles for world first, world 1 - 10, server first etc etc.

MMOs are not designed to be 100%'d, you don't need nor deserve literally everything that's in the game. The vast majority of content in the game is handed to you on a silver platter, most of it is extremely low effort "Do X Thing Y amount of times" which anyone can get with patience and zero challenge. Prestige has always been an MMO staple, when people get legendary weapons or special titles for being exceptional that's a good thing. I miss walking by people ingame and being genuinely impressed rather than thinking "That outfit is 80% mogstation" or "Wow they really did 10,000 leves for that huh".

[PineapplePudding]

It wouldnt suprise me if the whole PvPaissa Discord is full of Wintraders. It is the same mess on Omega DC on every Feast Season, the moment a non-regular of the Top 100 Leaderboard shows up anywhere close to it who isnt part of the Discord, gets quickly filtered away by said regulars (or their Alts) by them either throwing the game, or simply log off the moment you are in their team.

You seem incredibly sure of this and are making VERY LARGE claims so i'm assuming you would have some form of proof of a large scale new player-griefing operation on Chaos. Do you have a catalogue of examples to back up these claims? I know plenty of first-time players on NA who got top 100 in the last few seasons, including some who started very late into these seasons( one player in particular was completely brand new to ff14 and started PVPing at the start of October and improved fast enough on healer to get top 100 in s20, which ended about a month ago) Many of these first-time players had no problem getting top 100 while still learning which makes me skeptical whenever someone claims gatekeeping as the sole reason that they miss out on rewards.

[AtomicBomb]

If they want to bring back old feast rewards, they should go to the poor souls ranked 101+ who missed out by less than 25 points during each season. An acceptable compromise, no?