Current EX trial completed without Healers

[Silver-Strider]

What part of healers have the most responsibilities. If a healer dies it’s over if both die it’s super over. That stress and responsibility is WHY healers have less of a rotation thankfully. Healers can’t afford to focus on a rotation when they are too busy keeping ransoms who may or may not be acting like bonobos. And for the record i was mad in HW when black mage went from fire 1/3 to waaay more buttons

They don't because rez isn't a healer exclusive skill as 2/3 casters also have them. A healer dying is no more of an inconvenience than if a Tank was to die. In some situations, either one dying can be disastrous but that's a case by case basis and even a DPS dying at an inopportune moment can lead to a wipe so it really doesn't mean anything.

Also, in the past you've said PLD was simple and are just as capable as healing as a dedicated Healer at this point so what's exactly preventing healers from having as similar simple rotation?

[glamazon]

With all these tanks getting so much healing sustain why can’t we have a real dps rotation! Give us a meaningful rotation that works w our healing

[Semirhage]

What part of healers have the most responsibilities. If a healer dies it’s over if both die it’s super over. That stress and responsibility is WHY healers have less of a rotation thankfully. Healers can’t afford to focus on a rotation when they are too busy keeping ransoms who may or may not be acting like bonobos. And for the record i was mad in HW when black mage went from fire 1/3 to waaay more buttons

What stress and responsibility? I've rolled into duty finder as a healer all the time. Not this expansion, but for YEARS prior. This fictional Very Scary Duty Finder is Non. Sense. Yeah, there are runs that go poorly, but the difference between a bad dungeon and a good one is like...90% Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare versus 75% Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare. Healers have very little they can do about someone consistently failing mechanics- do more than about three, and the offending player just gets one shot. It's not like roomwide AOEs magically come out more often if the party is terrible.

I have done duty finder content, mentor roulette, rolled into EX trials as a healer, the whole nine yards. I spend almost as much time spamming Glare in a good party as a bad one. "Stress and responsibility" yeah right.

[Halfgeeek]

What stress and responsibility? I've rolled into duty finder as a healer all the time. Not this expansion, but for YEARS prior. This fictional Very Scary Duty Finder is Non. Sense. Yeah, there are runs that go poorly, but the difference between a bad dungeon and a good one is like...90% Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare versus 75% Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare. Healers have very little they can do about someone consistently failing mechanics- do more than about three, and the offending player just gets one shot. It's not like roomwide AOEs magically come out more often if the party is terrible.

I have done duty finder content, mentor roulette, rolled into EX trials as a healer, the whole nine yards. I spend almost as much time spamming Glare in a good party as a bad one. "Stress and responsibility" yeah right.

I can understand your pov.

This game isn't punishing with wipes like other MMOs. It's no biggie when ppl fail or pt wipes, just go again. It took me getting some used to that mentality, then, I found playing healer to be easy, even with a bad party.

I've grown into the role of a Broiler, and enjoy content for what it is rather than what I want it to be. The EW EX trials are fun, the aesthetics, music, mechanics, it's been a blast & I look forward to more content rather than healer role changes that offer it more engrossing DPS rotations.

Personally, I view SGE as a missed opportunity from YoshiP & team to make a healer role with more complexity. Other jobs have a wide range of complexity in their gameplay. The new SMN being quite simple, caters to those who enjoy that, while there's MNK & NIN for ppl who enjoy more complexity. Healers don't have this option, and I agree it sucks for those who enjoy that.

[EaMett]

What part of healers have the most responsibilities. If a healer dies it’s over if both die it’s super over. That stress and responsibility is WHY healers have less of a rotation thankfully. Healers can’t afford to focus on a rotation when they are too busy keeping ransoms who may or may not be acting like bonobos. And for the record i was mad in HW when black mage went from fire 1/3 to waaay more buttons

If you like simple classes and they work for you. Then yeah, healers are going to be amazing for you right now. SCH and WHM especially. Sadly, for anyone trying to raise their execution skill, it'll be a very short endeavor as the skill ceiling is extremely low.
What people are saying is that it's possible to raise the ceiling without impacting the skill floor. And SE should do just that.

[Aword3213]

You most certainly did.



Emphasis mine.

Oh,yes. Not getting something you want means you shouldn't get something you want.

This sort of logical processing is a trait I definfinitely lack.

[Aword3213]

I don't see how I'd win anyways. What I want SE to fix, is apparently what they don't want: more healing to do and resource and cooldown management. Among a slew of other problems plaguing both healers and tanks (and some dps) in their identity crises.

Can you elaborate on resource and cooldown management?

I agree on the healing part, but I don't understand the part of resources and cooldowns in healer role.

Don't they already have plenty of cooldowns and their own resource systems?

[AFuzzyMu11in]

What stress and responsibility? I've rolled into duty finder as a healer all the time. Not this expansion, but for YEARS prior. This fictional Very Scary Duty Finder is Non. Sense. Yeah, there are runs that go poorly, but the difference between a bad dungeon and a good one is like...90% Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare versus 75% Glare Glare Glare Glare Glare. Healers have very little they can do about someone consistently failing mechanics- do more than about three, and the offending player just gets one shot. It's not like roomwide AOEs magically come out more often if the party is terrible.

I have done duty finder content, mentor roulette, rolled into EX trials as a healer, the whole nine yards. I spend almost as much time spamming Glare in a good party as a bad one. "Stress and responsibility" yeah right.

What you are ignoring is what happens when the healer can't keep up, or the tank can't keep up, or heck how much a pain in the but it would be to have to learn a real healer rotation, to have to manage other buttons other than healing, you will end up with some "balance" level optimized hyper raid rotation that is frustrating, distracting, takes practice and effort and makes you feel punished for just wanting to heal rather than worry about "optimized dps!"

If you like simple classes and they work for you. Then yeah, healers are going to be amazing for you right now. SCH and WHM especially. Sadly, for anyone trying to raise their execution skill, it'll be a very short endeavor as the skill ceiling is extremely low.
What people are saying is that it's possible to raise the ceiling without impacting the skill floor. And SE should do just that.

I disagree, anytime SE tries to do this, all you end up is with some high optimized rotation, of press XYZYZZZESXY. I enjoy that healer sch especially is my break from that nonsense and instead of worrying about a order of buttons to press I can focus on my job aka healing, I only want to heal, I don't want to worry about stressful dps rotations that take my focus away from healing. I enjoy pressing broil because it allows me to stay engaged on what matters, the hp, the mechanics, my positioning, etc. Why must raiders ruin everything? Why can't we have one job they can't break down in numbers to hyper optimize for dps purposes. I don't want to put that kind of effort into healing, it's why I was so attracted to the healer role in general after they removed miasma 2/cleric stance/selene vs eos and stuff like that.

[Rolder50]

So what I'm seeing here, are two main camps of healers. One camp wants there to be more healing required so they spend more time thinking about healing and less time about DPSing. The other wants more involved DPS rotations, so that when there is healing downtime it's less dull then it is currently.

Sadly, the trend has been to make both camps unhappy with dreadfully low healing requirements and painful 2 button dps spam.

[Towowo]

What you are ignoring is what happens when the healer can't keep up, or the tank can't keep up, or heck how much a pain in the but it would be to have to learn a real healer rotation, to have to manage other buttons other than healing, you will end up with some "balance" level optimized hyper raid rotation that is frustrating, distracting, takes practice and effort and makes you feel punished for just wanting to heal rather than worry about "optimized dps!"



I disagree, anytime SE tries to do this, all you end up is with some high optimized rotation, of press XYZYZZZESXY. I enjoy that healer sch especially is my break from that nonsense and instead of worrying about a order of buttons to press I can focus on my job aka healing, I only want to heal, I don't want to worry about stressful dps rotations that take my focus away from healing. I enjoy pressing broil because it allows me to stay engaged on what matters, the hp, the mechanics, my positioning, etc. Why must raiders ruin everything? Why can't we have one job they can't break down in numbers to hyper optimize for dps purposes. I don't want to put that kind of effort into healing, it's why I was so attracted to the healer role in general after they removed miasma 2/cleric stance/selene vs eos and stuff like that.

None of the above here is a good enough reason to keep all of the Healer role completely braindead. Ideally for me, all jobs should fall under "easy to learn, hard to master." A lot like playing Tetris casually really. The problem is.. healers as are have very little room to get better or improve since all the damage in the game is completely predictable. There are no points in the game where there is unexpected damage.