*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[Veloran]

On the first point, I actually am very sympathetic to that argument. The second I completely disagree with. Emet fell into a despair that led him to committing horrific acts of evil and then inviting the WoL to kill him. Hythlo was not conscious due to Zodiarks imprisonment and Venat is the one who made the initial judgement that they couldn’t handle it.

I was referring to when they found out about the universe in Elpis. None of the three fell into shock or despair from that.

And my argument is that not only is this a worthless move as unlike Midgard there’s no planet protected from Meteion waiting to be found, the actual resources needed to travel between planets required thousands of years to gather and develop and there’s no reason to believe the group she could gather together could accomplish this.

Clearly Venat thought it was possible given she planned and prepared for that very eventuality. Is there some particular reason she couldn't have simply done that instead of killing everyone else and forcing them to adhere to her ideals?

Hydaelyns summoners sacrificed themselves to a man, with Venat at the heart, Zodiarks summoners also included those who would still live, as well as being immensely more powerful, thus does one leave some tempered and the other doesn’t. There’s no bad writing with this despite what you may be believe.

Your argument is that all of her summoners had to die to give Hydaelyn a chance despite her specifically being designed with a power that hard-countered Zodiark, but despite being an Ancient concept empowered by their souls she was also conveniently not powerful enough to cause this vague "tug". This is something like paint by numbers writing here, convolution for the purposes of meeting an end point.

My point is that if the Ancients wished to defeat Meteion they would need to face her in her Dynamis filled nest, and they already showed that they were unprepared for the despair they would inevitably face there, while being surrounded by Dynamis. They wouldn’t be able to as they were.

99.99999% of modern humanity would also stand absolutely no chance doing that same thing. A bunch of panicky civilians aren't heroes, that's true regardless of the era.

Right, because the magicks we’ve seen in 14 are so easy to cast that they don’t require more than a passing understanding of their effects to mimic. Not to mention everything else potentially left unmentioned that could’ve come up in Zodiarks creation.

Venat knew the solution. No amount of hming and haing and imagining nonexistent barriers will do away with the fact that she could have told them about the currents immediately and saved millions of lives.

If they are, then she must not of lied.

Or, as I postulated before, she did and the distrust this bred led them to ignore her.

demanding tribute from the planet they're supposed to be nurturing.

We know that the new life had to have souls equal in value to the sum of the sacrificed Ancients, otherwise the exchange wouldn’t be equal and Zodiark would be weakened. So they’re sacrificing innocent souls all the same

We all do that on a daily basis. Why, given life, is the Dodo meant to die, helpless in my stir-fry?