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If that was really their choice they deserve the freedom to make that choice…
On the first point, I actually am very sympathetic to that argument. The second I completely disagree with. Emet fell into a despair that led him to committing horrific acts of evil and then inviting the WoL to kill him. Hythlo was not conscious due to Zodiarks imprisonment and Venat is the one who made the initial judgement that they couldn’t handle it.


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Maybe you should read back?.
And my argument is that not only is this a worthless move as unlike Midgard there’s no planet protected from Meteion waiting to be found, the actual resources needed to travel between planets required thousands of years to gather and develop and there’s no reason to believe the group she could gather together could accomplish this.


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Ah yes, so Zodiark is just arbitrarily at the power threshold needed to give a vague "tug" while Hydaelyn isn't...
Hydaelyns summoners sacrificed themselves to a man, with Venat at the heart, Zodiarks summoners also included those who would still live, as well as being immensely more powerful, thus does one leave some tempered and the other doesn’t. There’s no bad writing with this despite what you may be believe.

Quote Originally Posted by Veloran View Post
Firstly, the Ancients did not turn into Blasphemes…

And frankly, even the idea they would panic is silly…
My point is that if the Ancients wished to defeat Meteion they would need to face her in her Dynamis filled nest, and they already showed that they were unprepared for the despair they would inevitably face there, while being surrounded by Dynamis. They wouldn’t be able to as they were.

And they immediately went back on that sacrifice by offering innocent life and prayed to a god they created to make the world a “paradise.”

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Again, all the information they needed had already been revealed to Venat...
Right, because the magicks we’ve seen in 14 are so easy to cast that they don’t require more than a passing understanding of their effects to mimic. Not to mention everything else potentially left unmentioned that could’ve come up in Zodiarks creation. I mean we didn’t even know about the Aether currents until the Watcher mentioned them.

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All anybody would need to do is ask her "why" or ask what she knows and she would be in the middle of a lie...
Either the Ancients are capable of knowing when someone is lying or they’re not. If they are, then she must not of lied. If she did, then we have to take a lot of what we know of the echo and the Ancients and pitch it.