Tank healing is to high

[Lyth]

You know, I find this fascinating. Every so often someone goes through the effort to bump every single thread on the first page except for this one in an attempt to force it on to the second page. It's not particularly subtle. And it's been the same poster each time. It's an extraordinary amount of effort for something so easily undone.

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I do think it's been a gradual deterioration overall. I'm more speaking to the question posed earlier on "Why wouldn't you want yourself to have more buffs? Why wouldn't you want your job to be stronger?" At the end of the day, an achievement is only as good as the effort taken to get you there. I think the decision to have tanks passively self-heal as part of commonly executed actions cheapens the experience.

[Rhais]

I do think it's been a gradual deterioration overall. I'm more speaking to the question posed earlier on "Why wouldn't you want yourself to have more buffs? Why wouldn't you want your job to be stronger?" At the end of the day, an achievement is only as good as the effort taken to get you there. I think the decision to have tanks passively self-heal as part of commonly executed actions cheapens the experience.

For the most part I can agree with the sentiment expressed here, I just think the earlier comparison was not an apt one as the tanking experience in particular and the combat in general has been degraded for some time now for a multitude of reasons. Death by a thousand cuts, and this is just one more. I view the outrage over specific changes with some bemusement when they fit within the trends established by the devs for several expansions now. (I believe this is good example of little capacity for pattern recognition.)

Given the above statement, I do think that removal of self healing wouldn't improve the current tanking experience all that much as the experience they cheapen already lacks value.

[Shurrikhan]

For the most part I can agree with the sentiment expressed here, I just think the earlier comparison was not an apt one as the tanking experience in particular and the combat in general has been degraded for some time now for a multitude of reasons. Death by a thousand cuts, and this is just one more. I view the outrage over specific changes with some bemusement when they fit within the trends established by the devs for several expansions now. (I believe this is good example of little capacity for pattern recognition.)

Except, again, the outrage isn't new, merely reiterated upon, just like the problems that have triggered it. And if it's to be death by a thousand cuts and we've all lost count but no we've been cut aplenty already, why wouldn't people become increasingly worried that the "thousandth" is closing in and resist that bit harder whatever changes they think degrade the experience?

These are indicative concerns, even if they might not seem vital when seen in insolation. Players can recognize that a problem has occurred before without being any less upset that it is occurring yet again, just under a vaguely new form.

[Rhais]

Except, again, the outrage isn't new, merely reiterated upon, just like the problems that have triggered it. And if it's to be death by a thousand cuts and we've all lost count but no we've been cut aplenty already, why wouldn't people become increasingly worried that the "thousandth" is closing in and resist that bit harder whatever changes they think degrade the experience?

These are indicative concerns, even if they might not seem vital when seen in insolation. Players can recognize that a problem has occurred before without being any less upset that it is occurring yet again, just under a vaguely new form.

I have not suggested that people should stop voicing their concern over the direction the game is going at all though. Nothing in the two posts you quoted was discouraging anyone from complaining about the state of the game.

[Shurrikhan]

I have not suggested that people should stop voicing their concern over the direction the game is going at all though. Nothing in the two posts you quoted was discouraging anyone from complaining about the state of the game.

Calling those complaints "bemusing" reads a lot like "unreasonable".

But fair enough.

[Rhais]

Calling those complaints "bemusing" reads a lot like "unreasonable".

But fair enough.

Nah, I try not to take that much liberty with definitions, I was going with "mild amusement" with a bit of puzzlement thrown in there. Not even directed at the content of the complaints, but more so because some posters seem genuinely surprised at some of the more recent changes when they are consistent with the direction the overall game has been moving in for years. At this point I'm just wondering what will be the next victim.

[Shurrikhan]

Nah, I try not to take that much liberty with definitions, I was going with "mild amusement" with a bit of puzzlement thrown in there. Not even directed at the content of the complaints, but more so because some posters seem genuinely surprised at some of the more recent changes when they are consistent with the direction the overall game has been moving in for years. At this point I'm just wondering what will be the next victim.

I mean, who's left? Haha. Or, rather, can healers get any worse? (Probably, and likely in much the same vein as recent tank changes.) Hmm.

If I had to bet, the next victim would probably DPS, but I try not to stare that deep into the abyss.