Parsing unfair but okay?

[Bhearil]

There is no grey zone, third party tools are not allowed in FF 14. Specially for new players, use a parser you might get banned, do not believe what some players say that it is ok to use a parser.

Are you using any voice app, or any of your fc mates use it? If thats the case you can start report them as well as yourself, third party tools are not allowed!! Do you realize how ridiculous it sounds? And eye for an eye and everyone would end blind

Parses as long as they are used properly (like to improve the team rotation) are not a problem, thing is that some use parses in the wrong way as a throwing weapon against someone to justify themselves being a jerk. As almost anything it depends on HOW it is used instead of IF is used at all

[Hawuhawuu]

To OP, join any farm PF run of EX content and you\\\\'ll probably get your log posted at some point. Maybe if someone in your FC on their FC discord can help you? Like a lot of other say, you can ask them to run a couple of EX trials and show them your skills.

And now for the other comments on this post. For one, OP asked about joining when they had no logs available to be used. I think they meanr that it was unfair because they had no logs of prior raiding experience but groups require them to measure if the person is reliable which is fair because you don\\\\'t want to waste their time. Kind of like when entry jobs irl require you to have 2-3 years of experience but you\\\\'re fresh out of college.

As for parsing, the tool itself is not evil and people should really get off their high horses and saying stuff like "report them when you see it." For one, you or anyone should not police on how SE and the GMs handle their ban system. If SE catered to everytime someone gets kicked for essentially griefing their group by dying constantly and refusing to actually keep up the pace, then it would be a massive witch hunt.

Yoshi-P may say parsing is not allowed, but will watch and show streamers using them. It\\\\'s grey area. He doesn\\\\'t want to deal bad players complaining about not being carried through content because someone bullied them into doing the bare minimum but he certainly knows that outright banning parsers would destroy raiding as a whole. And as much as people want to say "raiding scene is a minority," then why do they make high-end content? Why is there EX, Savage, Ultimate, and Unreal? Let alone have potions, food and gearsets that increase your damage? If the game can 100% survive on being totally casual then they would have already done so, seeing as not having to design said content would lighten their dev time.

But they know the answer, they need a game with variety and raiding is a core part of the game and genre. This has been said a million times before but here again.

I never wanted the players banned. Its more on since SE can\\\\'t pick a side they openly discriminate against a player base and its acceptable. I would love to have the same tools as the pc users or even a simple tool to see my dps but it will never happen since its on the devs. If a publisher makes a jump to add their product to consoles I feel they should try to not make on system more advantageous then the other at core gameplay. I understand addons do a lot and can never be matched but the game revolves around dps. The best example is banking, a pc user can see their statement, interest, amount, and history. A console player can only see approved/declined.

[Dracosavarian]

OP:

Try and use the FFXIV community finder tools to pull what you need, or form a community and a team yourself, as intimidating as that may be.

My group runs Extremes and high end content successfully all the time. None of us use parsers. We don’t need them. We just all hop on discord together and run the content and communicate and joke and laugh and have a good time.

You can also use duty finder and set parameters in it to meet your needs. I usually put in comments for folks to not dash off as soon as they manage to secure a mount, but to help a bit after they get theirs. It works pretty well.


Parsing isn’t a hard set requirement for end game, and you can find groups that don’t require it. I wish you luck, and happy hunting.

[Caurcas]

Don't fear the parse. Just get a PC bro to run some content with you and upload it. Also for the nay sayers, isn't being casual enough for you? Why are you trying to ruin content you are unlikely to ever participate in?

[Undeadfire]

No matter how much SE puts bans on ACT, there's nothing SE can really do to stop raiders using it, regardless of rules they will use it anyway. It's illegal for SE to spy on peoples PCs if they have ACT. If they come with a program to counter it, the community will come with a way to get around it, it's an endless and pointless battle.

It's there to help job optimising, player evaluating, and stops raid groups from wasting their time with traps and trolls. High/Top tier raid groups only seek players on their skill levels, or higher, they're not interested in random players wanting to raid, nor argue. Perform what they're looking for, or talk is over.

[BaconBits]

Don't fear the parse. Just get a PC bro to run some content with you and upload it. Also for the nay sayers, isn't being casual enough for you? Why are you trying to ruin content you are unlikely to ever participate in?

Because fear mongering and stereotyping an entire community as elitists because they ran into a few jerkwads is easier than expecting even basic competency from other people in a team based game. And yet if you point out the bad apples on their side of the fence, they'll be just as quick to cry "Oh they're not actually part of OUR community" while simultaneously painting the other side as big bad bullies without even realizing just how hypocritical that is.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

Imagine being so afraid of a calculator.

Blaise Pascal would roll over in his grave.

[Gyson]

Hello,

I'm finding it hard to find a MC static due to not having parse logs available. Four out of five statics are requiring logs in pf or discord recruitments. I've cleared the previous raid tier but I don't have the logs.

Is this never intended to be enforced and just a blanket policy with no action ever intended to be taken?

I find this a massive advantage to PC user since I don't have the option available on playstation. I don't have the ability to see if I'm improving or if my gear setup makes a difference. I'm not asking to parse but a self dps meter for consoles would make a giant difference in being competetive. Currently the only available method to test my damage is the target dummy trials but in 3 minutes it can be heavily skewed by crits/dh and the times can vary by a lot.

Is there any advice on how to join a high end static without logs or the ability to optimize?

I think the thing people should be focusing on is that the original poster is having a difficult time finding a static because other players are expecting them to provide parser logs showing their performance.

Let's pretend third-party parse tools just didn't work in this game, and so they simply weren't something our community could use. Can we all agree that would remove the current hurdle the original poster is facing?

So, for this player, essentially a third party tool is creating a barrier for access. Isn't that the whole problem with parsing tools the developers wanted to avoid?

A static group requiring parse logs is a long way away from using a parser to harmlessly monitor your own performance for the purpose of self-improvement.

[ArkenaeuxBelmont]

I think the thing people should be focusing on is that the original poster is having a difficult time finding a static because other players are expecting them to provide parser logs showing their performance.

Let's pretend third-party parse tools just didn't work in this game, and so they simply weren't something our community could use. Can we all agree that would remove the current hurdle the original poster is facing?

So, for this player, essentially a third party tool is creating a barrier for access. Isn't that the whole problem with parsing tools the developers wanted to avoid?

A static group requiring parse logs is a long way away from using a parser to harmlessly monitor your own performance.

If we're going that route, topic is already solved and should just be closed. Question was answered by various people.

Utilize party finder. Communicate with the people posting the PF. Be communicative, open, and on the lookout. Join a learning party first. Etc, etc, etc.

[EaMett]

I think the thing people should be focusing on is that the original poster is having a difficult time finding a static because other players are expecting them to provide parser logs showing their performance.

Let's pretend third-party parse tools just didn't work in this game, and so they simply weren't something our community could use. Can we all agree that would remove the current hurdle the original poster is facing?

So, for this player, essentially a third party tool is creating a barrier for access. Isn't that the whole problem with parsing tools the developers wanted to avoid?

A static group requiring parse logs is a long way away from using a parser to harmlessly monitor your own performance for the purpose of self-improvement.

It would remove the current hurdle and introduce a bunch of other ones. It's really a matter of choosing your poison.
Making sure your static is made up of members with equivalent skill tiers is, in my opinion, the lesser of two evils.