The Devs need to put THUDERCLAP without target

[Raikai]

Truth be told, I feel that SGE's dash should not require a target as well. Yes they will all be the same as the DNC's... but what else you can do with a dash/gap closer? If Thunderclap doesn't do any damage, requiring a target is just a liability for the sake of it... this doesn't promote interesting gameplay in any situation.

[ssunny2008]

Truth be told, I feel that SGE's dash should not require a target as well. Yes they will all be the same as the DNC's... but what else you can do with a dash/gap closer? If Thunderclap doesn't do any damage, requiring a target is just a liability for the sake of it... this doesn't promote interesting gameplay in any situation.

If we´re talking about the truth, why does SGE even need a dash? It´s a healer and already mobile af. And the animations are some wings, like wtf?! WHM wings on SGE? Why does the 4 mini-rocket-turrets don´t work as "wings" aka jetpack?

As i´ve said earlier, have a target has it´s pro´s especially for melee classes. You want as fast as possible into melee range and it´s super at certain knockbacks without an antiknockback-skill or mechanics like Shiva icelit in E12s to keep melee-uptime easily. Having some freedom is great too, but i see the "pros of needing a target" as the better ones on any melee class, yes even in PvP.
(And how does a 15y dash on point is interesting gameplay?)

[Raikai]

If we´re talking about the truth, why does SGE even need a dash? It´s a healer and already mobile af. And the animations are some wings, like wtf?! WHM wings on SGE? Why does the 4 mini-rocket-turrets don´t work as "wings"?

As i´ve said earlier, have a target has it´s pro´s especially for melee classes. You want as fast as possible into melee range and it´s super at certain knockbacks without an antiknockback-skill or mechanics like Shiva icelit in E12s to keep easily melee-uptime. Having some freedom is great too, but i see the "pros of needing a target" as the better ones on any melee class, yes even in PvP.

I didn't play a lot of SGE, but doesn't some of their actions require melee range on your allies? Anyways, this could all go well if the target was optional.

You have a target? You thunderclap to it... you dont? You thunderclap forward.

[ssunny2008]

I didn't play a lot of SGE, but doesn't some of their actions require melee range on your allies? Anyways, this could all go well if the target was optional.

You have a target? You thunderclap to it... you dont? You thunderclap forward.

The AOE of SGE works like the SCH one in a circle around you. And you´ve a half-close range damage skill with 45s, which you preferable use in the raid-burstphases or just to move if needed. But with the DoT and overall 1,5s casttime, a dash is seriously not needed. You can move around as you want unless you spam Dosis to do damage.

The 2nd part is atleast something i can agree with. But i guess some ppl will go ham with it. xD

[Raikai]

The AOE of SGE works like the SCH one in a circle around you. And you´ve a half-close range damage skill with 45s, which you preferable use in the raid-burstphases or just to move if needed. But with the DoT and overall 1,5s casttime, a dash is seriously not needed. You can move around as you want unless you spam Dosis to do damage.

The 2nd part is atleast something i can agree with. But i guess some ppl will go ham with it. xD

Honestly, I could just see SGE's dash the same way I see DNC's... pure QoL convenience to - for example - give you more error to escape telegraphs. Just like jobs with personal shields... They don't really impact a lot of stuff, but are nice to have when you have a weaving window during an unavoidable AoE.

With DNC, which is the job I'm working on maining, I could do my stuff just as fine without An Avant, because all of the moments I need to be in close-ish range are very predictable every 30s and the job can be moving 100% of the time. I just save An Avant charges for... when I'm distracted and miss telegraph prepositioning or when I want to get there ahead of everybody else to show the safe spot (or not when I'm totally wrong LOL).

[Valence]

DNC doesn't need a dash as per being a rPhys job, especially now that the melee skills arent even used anymore for single target. Yet, it feels great, works great, is a perk of the job, and I'm fine with it. On the other hand you have actual jobs requiring gap closers (melees), and half of them are absolutely awkward or atrocious to use conveniently. The only reason I can see for this is "class identity" because they don't want all the gap closers to work the same... at the cost of usability.

If we´re talking about the truth, why does SGE even need a dash? It´s a healer and already mobile af. And the animations are some wings, like wtf?! WHM wings on SGE? Why does the 4 mini-rocket-turrets don´t work as "wings" aka jetpack?

As i´ve said earlier, have a target has it´s pro´s especially for melee classes. You want as fast as possible into melee range and it´s super at certain knockbacks without an antiknockback-skill or mechanics like Shiva icelit in E12s to keep melee-uptime easily. Having some freedom is great too, but i see the "pros of needing a target" as the better ones on any melee class, yes even in PvP.
(And how does a 15y dash on point is interesting gameplay?)

What are the pros of needing a target? I don't really get it? For people playing in standard camera mode or something?

[ssunny2008]

What are the pros of needing a target? I don't really get it? For people playing in standard camera mode or something?

- You don´t have to turn your camera, if you´ve something in the target, you just click that button to jump to it, no matter if it´s in front or behind you. So far you can execute your last GCD, move 2 steps out and press the dash without and camerawiggling.
- You don´t have to take care about the distance. It´ll always bring you in melee-range and that´s all you want.
- And again, it´s superior to play against a bunch of knockback-mechanics to keep uptime. E.g. Leviathan or even the current P4 raid.
- It´s impossible to jump of the platform or into deadly walls.