Nothing makes sense and it's all Elidibus' fault (Spoilers)

[Raven2014]

why wyould you think we don't regonize Elidibus?

[Avidria]

This isn't entirely true. If all the shards were merged as per the Unsundered plans, Zodiark would still be alive, assuming Elidibus is the "Core" of Zodiark and not that nutter Fandaniel. Since Zodiark is still alive, they still have the protection from Meteion. We only lost it when Zodiark dies, not when he is freed. Now, they WOULD be back at square one if Zodiark died for some other reason, but that could be way in the future if at all.

Hmm fair point. I still think that timeline wouldn't have been all that great in the end anyway, but yeah it'd probably be more because of, y'know, the ongoing blood sacrifice for prosperity thing Venat was trying to prevent haha

[Averax]

The post-credits voiced cutscene confirms that he is.

They also tell you in the MSQ that only like two people wear white robes and one is Venat, because she's a retired member of the convocation who did NOT choose to return to the star after stepping down, and Elidibus.

[Raven2014]

I mean ... we're still operating in-cognito as Azem's familiar. What you want us to say, like "what's up Elidibus!" ... like ... that would be a super spoiler for Therme, who clearly hasn't become Elidibus yet, that would also scream we're coming from the future.

Also I don't know if people know or remember, but this is Yoshi's style of story telling. If he wants you (the player) to get something, he will make it super obvious but at the same time he won't say it out right. In an interview at the end of Stormblood, he said he even asked the team to redo the cutsceen because he wants everyone who watch it will recognize it's Val Beasar, yet the story itself don't official confirm it until later.

They also tell you in the MSQ that only like two people wear white robes and one is Venat, because she's a retired member of the convocation who did NOT choose to return to the star after stepping down, and Elidibus.

No, you mis-remembering. The white robe is only to signify to people who are able to judge everything objectively and fairly, with Venat and Elidibus given as example. The Therme we met has not assume his office yet, you can see he's wearing a normal mask, not the mask of the convocation like Emer-setch. The White robe could be the uniform for this "organization" he belongs to, and it would makes sense if this organization is truly a gathering of individual who can judge thing fairly and objectively thus why he's given the task of investigation of serious matter and the 2 officers that interact with the most with the outer world (Azem and Elidibus) hail from this organization.

[Penthea]

No, you mis-remembering. The white robe is only to signify to people who are able to judge everything objectively and fairly, with Venat and Elidibus given as example. The Therme we met has not assume his office yet, you can see he's wearing a normal mask, not the mask of the convocation like Emer-setch. The White robe could be the uniform for this "organization" he belongs to, and it would makes sense if this organization is truly a gathering of individual who can judge thing fairly and objectively thus why he's given the task of investigation of serious matter and the 2 officers that interact with the most with the outer world (Azem and Elidibus) hail from this organization.

As far as I recall the white robe isn't said to be specifically for those who stepped down from the Convocation, but for those who stepped down from public office. For a society as populated and as advanced as theirs public office would have been more than a mere fourteen people. The Convocation was likely just the main leading body. Not the only one. So it's possible when we meet Themis in Pandaemonium it's after he stepped down from a position of public office before taking the seat of Elidibus. It may even be a requirement for a holder of the seat of Elidbus to have already served in public office to prepare them for the role as emissary. Or he could be attempting to be incognito and is choosing to hide his red mask. He is investigating something and maybe he thinks if everyone knows he's from the Convocation that may cause too much of a fuss and affect what information he gets access to.

[Raven2014]

Or he could be attempting to be incognito and is choosing to hide his red mask. He is investigating something and maybe he thinks if everyone knows he's from the Convocation that may cause too much of a fuss and affect what information he gets access to.

uh no. I don't think any current or previous member of the convocation will be able to go incognito given how famous they are. Hytho even joked when the first arrived that Emer-setch may not even need proper identification given how famous he already is. And given Elidibus is the office of diplomacy, his face probably would be more recognizable than most.

[Penthea]

uh no. I don't think any current or previous member of the convocation will be able to go incognito given how famous they are. Hytho even joked when the first arrived that Emer-setch may not even need proper identification given how famous he already is.

Emet-Selch had his red mask at the time. At the very least everyone would know he was a Convocation member if not Emet-Selch. This is why he thought revealing his face was pointless.

[Dyvid]

I could handle G'raha Tia's time travel shenanigans, but the stuff with Elpis I just cannot get behind.

First of all, it is all but confirmed that the Warrior of Light's presence in the unsundered star did have an effect on the future, as Venat as Hydaelyn does remember the Warrior of Light from the past. Nobody else does for some reason; Meteion, as the largest example, is surprised when we know Hermes' name, even though during that span of time we interacted with Meteion more than Hermes did.

Additionally, while it's also implied that the sundered souls inherited some of the personality(?) from their Amaurotine selves, this manifests nowhere even though the Warrior of Light was seen by, conservatively, a few dozen ancients in Elpis, who likely should have spoken of the sightings of 'Azem's Familiar' or even talked to him about it.

Branching off of that, if the Warrior of Light being handwaved away in Elpis as Azem's Familiar was made aware to more Amaurotines than the one who were mind wiped by Kardion, wouldn't query of this have reached Azem themselves, or at least some member of the convocation?

Would Zodiark contain a soul that knew about the Warrior of Light? Would this have influence how Zodiark acted in the WoL's presence? Would they know they had a connection to Azem even while carrying Azem's funny lemon-flavored crystal that can summon the Scions back from the dead?

I blame Elidibus for all of this. Time is a flat circle.

Rule number 1: when time travel is involved, nothing makes sense except for fulfillment of the narrative.

[Silver-Strider]

Which makes me wonder if one of our shards hasn't inherited this aspect of our old complete soul.

It'll probably the one lost on the 13th that is now going from shard to shard absorbing each of our remaining fragments and will be the BBEG of the next story now that the Hydaelyn vs Zodiark saga is over.

[KageTokage]

It'll probably the one lost on the 13th that is now going from shard to shard absorbing each of our remaining fragments and will be the BBEG of the next story now that the Hydaelyn vs Zodiark saga is over.

Honestly, I'm half-expecting that Zenos' avatar is that shard and that it's going to come after us using his body now that he's probably actually dead.

I don't think Yoshi would've hint-hinted at the thing being important if it wasn't going to become a problem in the future.