Tank healing is to high

[Oextra]

For one, in case people missed the VOD of an all Tank EX1 Clear, look it up on Youtube. They probably do need to nerf some of the self-healing on WAR despite it already having basically all the self-healing in the world that they could throw on themselves among other CDs(and one that's 25s, no doubt).

I generally think that Tank healing feels high only because of WAR's high potencies and PLD's self-sustain, whereas GNB doesn't have as much outside of HoC and Brutal Shell and DRK? Basically has next to none and relies on shields. Thinking about it, this is lopsided in terms of how tanks feel to run when it comes to their CDs.

Just because one team did an all tank run, doesn't make tank self sustain too strong. Maybe if or when that strat becomes the best or one of the best strats, then we can continue this discussion. Until then, it's just a feat accomplished by skilled players. Since skill was required, it's not too strong.

[Oextra]

You'd be surprised how many people didn't utilize it correctly, alot of casual WARs used RI over NF back in the days so it was not as noticable as it is now.
I personaly love the changes right now.

Omg people actually did that? As soon as I got NF I never used RI until this expansion.

[Zordrage]

Big self-sustain on tanks just needs a con, not advanced as the things we got.

- Something comparable to clemency aka ressource and damage-loss. You don´t want to use it, but you can if e.g. your healer needs to rezz.
- Or something comparable to Living Dead. Just made as emergency button, of course not always "you gonna die", but maybe 15s 30% less damage output while under its effect?!
- High cooldowns like the invuls have.

Otherwise they could reduce the amount of overall defs and give us a decent rotation with buffs back. Just give every tank 2 unique defs on top to work with.

Nothing is wrong with self-sustain as emergency-tools or with drawbacks if you can use them multiple times. But being like "6-8 defs + 123 heal = gg" is clearly wrong.

I would GLADLY take any option/ability that lets me Sacrafice 50% of my Damage for some real self sustain on my DRK.

[Atreides]

Omg people actually did that? As soon as I got NF I never used RI until this expansion.

Exactly, but apparently it only now became an issue when we healed through dungeon packs and TBs in ShB too, granted we don't rely on burst for the the big heals, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have any burst ready from wall to wall pulls. So that was an non issue either.

[ssunny2008]

I would GLADLY take any option/ability that lets me Sacrafice 50% of my Damage for some real self sustain on my DRK.

I wouldn´t mind it, but how many here would?

It would be a niche tool without any big use unless things go ham. And if they go ham in raids, it´s in 99% of all cases over anyway. So i´m 100% sure ppl will show up as they do with MNK aka "SSS is shit.". Niche-skills or "being punished" are not welcome in this community. That´s why everything is homogenized af.

[Shurrikhan]

Exactly, but apparently it only now became an issue when we healed through dungeon packs and TBs in ShB too, granted we don't rely on burst for the the big heals, but I'd be lying if I said I didn't have any burst ready from wall to wall pulls. So that was an non issue either.

It's an issue in that it allowed me to just grab 2 decent DPS over shout chat to play alongside my RDM friend and literally not bother with a healer during dungeon spams to level as Warrior, and that I could still keep myself and my DPS alive while zombie-ing through said dungeons, sick and tired from my booster. When one role makes another defunct, let alone with no real effort required, that's not great for the overall experience.

[Absimiliard]

Not seeing how this is a problem. Healers are not superfluous or defunct. They continue to be as in demand as ever. Sufficiently skilled tanks are simply able to function without them in dungeons now, and that is fine.

The strong self-healing possessed by one *cough* WAR *cough* tank probably needs to be dialed back, but PLD and GNB are fine in this regard. DRK uh... well, ow.

[TheOperator3712]

I have a 90 Warrior. I've had one since week 1 of EW. I do all tanks and Maiming on one char, and at least one tank, my healers, and non-maiming DPS on the other, alt-holic character (this one) in the order they interest or convenience me. WAR was the second job I leveled to cap both in ShB and EW. But by all means, assume disagreement about how much healing tanks should have, or by what means they should have it, must come from inexperience...

I'm not assuming that you're inexperienced because you disagree, but because you don't quite seem to recall the full extent of Nascent's power and limitations in ShB. As I said in my original reply to you, WAR's single target healing has increased. I did not mean that in terms of per hit though, but rather in terms of total throughput or HPS. In ShB you could only use Nascent in single target if you had large attacks ready to go. In EW you can use Bloodwhetting almost any time you need a little extra healing. This has made BW far more useful than ShB NF in my experience with EW so far, as it means BW is useful outside of burst windows unlike ShB NF.

It's an issue in that it allowed me to just grab 2 decent DPS over shout chat to play alongside my RDM friend and literally not bother with a healer during dungeon spams to level as Warrior, and that I could still keep myself and my DPS alive while zombie-ing through said dungeons, sick and tired from my booster. When one role makes another defunct, let alone with no real effort required, that's not great for the overall experience.

That has been possible since 5.3, this is the proof:
https://youtu.be/UM97Qwv4QQw
https://youtu.be/xfEmyt7kv58
https://youtu.be/BOeRJQBPUkk
https://youtu.be/8-dOW5MRcJ8
https://youtu.be/qd6YOSzknNY
https://youtu.be/dnh9i1n2R-8
https://youtu.be/dPAXZrRJg5g
https://youtu.be/Udl-uYC9Yz4

Which is why some of us are asking: Why is it just now that people are complaining about it?

[RyuDragnier]

Which is why some of us are asking: Why is it just now that people are complaining about it?

I'm going to ask as a reminder to myself on this...were WAR able to completely solo a dungeon boss without a healer within the first 2 weeks of ShB?

[Shurrikhan]

That has been possible since 5.3, this is the proof:

Again, the issue is one of degree. When it's doable without particularly skilled dps and while said tank is half asleep, it's no longer merely "possible", but easy.