Black Mage's quirky cross class abilities

[Xianghua]

That's what I have been saying all this time. Brd will be able to do equal damage and have support abilities on top of that.



And that's why we use a parser and not go with just feelings. I'm not disagreeing with you that losing Invigorate and Keen Flurry are a damage loss. I'm saying the Arc damage is so high that even with taking the damage cut for missing those two abilities they will still be on par when it comes to doing damage.

Archer damage is not higher then PGls atm. 1 Vs 1 Pgl will blow archer away. The only Reason Archer is favored for moogle is because its much easy to hit combo's. Same reason people favored lancer for Ifrit and now thm. not because its the strongest DD. But because it's the easiest.

[fusional]

Archer damage is not higher then PGls atm. 1 Vs 1 Pgl will blow archer away. The only Reason Archer is favored for moogle is because its much easy to hit combo's. Same reason people favored lancer for Ifrit and now thm. not because its the strongest DD. But because it's the easiest.

ehhhhh. they're about even. all of the dps classes are balanced pretty well right now. PGL only has a slight edge thanks to GLD (and MRD and King to a degree) having high physical defense and lower magic defense. (though archer can make up some of the ground here by equipping thunder or whatever nuke and spamming it on GLD in between barrage and quick nock)

also, while yes- archer is the primary choice for moogle because it lacks directional combos (and has the luxury of not having combos interrupted by aoe), calling it 'easier' is a bit misleading. right now archer has the highest skill ceiling of any dps class due primarily to the need to micromanage your own 'auto attack' in between keeping combos on cooldown, while every other class can focus on movement and combos alone- in spite of how annoying movement is in that fight.

an archer doing everything right should be almost perpetually animation locked, and i can assure you that makes the class much, much, much more difficult than you're accounting for.

so while archer may be the easiest to pick up for moogle, it's also certainly the hardest to master.

as far as 1v1, a better judge is on Ifrit- where the two classes (played correctly) should be about dead even in dps. though this again is likely a moot discussion after 1.21

[Sylkis]

also, while yes- archer is the primary choice for moogle because it lacks directional combos (and has the luxury of not having combos interrupted by aoe), calling it 'easier' is a bit misleading. right now archer has the highest skill ceiling of any dps class due primarily to the need to micromanage your own 'auto attack' in between keeping combos on cooldown, while every other class can focus on movement and combos alone- in spite of how annoying movement is in that fight.

an archer doing everything right should be almost perpetually animation locked, and i can assure you that makes the class much, much, much more difficult than you're accounting for.

so while archer may be the easiest to pick up for moogle, it's also certainly the hardest to master.

This. Exactly what I wanted to say.

The best archers can out damage an average archer with the majority of the damage coming from light shot.
The extra Quick Nock every 1.5mins comes NOWHERE close to the damage from more light shots from a skilled archer.

Ifrit is a different situation as you can rest and regen as there is only 1 ifrit and there are 7 moogles, giving thm an edge.


On topic: there is nothing wrong with the BLM's cross class abilities. Wouldn't have any other

[Krausus]

Archer damage is not higher then PGls atm. 1 Vs 1 Pgl will blow archer away. The only Reason Archer is favored for moogle is because its much easy to hit combo's. Same reason people favored lancer for Ifrit and now thm. not because its the strongest DD. But because it's the easiest.

^^^ This Sorry KumaAkuma but you are wrong in this argument, though I do agree bard will still be able to play somewhat of a DPS role they are going to loose quite a bit of it due to loosing invigorate, keen Flurry, and blood for blood. If Bard wants to keep up in damage they will need to unequip the job stone.

[KumaAkuma]

^^^ This Sorry KumaAkuma but you are wrong in this argument, though I do agree bard will still be able to play somewhat of a DPS role they are going to loose quite a bit of it due to loosing invigorate, keen Flurry, and blood for blood. If Bard wants to keep up in damage they will need to unequip the job stone.

:/

On moogles our pug never beat arcs, and he's not a noob pug, just seems to go down hill when mp is gone.

[Krausus]

:/

On moogles our pug never beat arcs, and he's not a noob pug, just seems to go down hill when mp is gone.

Not sure what this means but just saying if you are wanting to go full DPS you will have to unequip the stone, I think BRD will still do some pretty good DPS but not near as good as ARC, then again we haven't seen how well the new WS performs.

[elreed]

Not sure what this means but just saying if you are wanting to go full DPS you will have to unequip the stone, I think BRD will still do some pretty good DPS but not near as good as ARC, then again we haven't seen how well the new WS performs.

Remember that even the moogles prefer archer as main than brd...

[Xianghua]

:/

On moogles our pug never beat arcs, and he's not a noob pug, just seems to go down hill when mp is gone.

/sigh 1 pgl in a arc heavy moogle spends more time chasing the moogles and missing combo's. while Arcs can run around freely and unleash combos without little worry of them failing.

If you went into a pgl heavy moogle the damage will be pretty much the same as arc (pgl might be ahead due to fist of fire vs king/mrd/gld)