Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

[KizuyaKatogami]

not yet anyway, but it's clear they're on the road there, seeing how easily they willing to cast away "imperfection".



The difference is ... the Scion pursuit the cause while weep for any life that is loss. The ancient putting the perfection of the start at the foremost and everything else (including life) is a distant second.

Could you give me some citations on this? Because i really dont see this at all.






These are just a few examples, but im pretty sure this shows they didnt just write things off, and they did weep/mourn for life. As far as the scions go, im fairly certain Estinien wasnt weeping or crying for all of the dragons he was slaughtering, and Graha/Ironworks were willing to sacrifice an entire timeline of people to die to bring back the WoL and avert a calamity. So i find it hard to believe the scions care for all life, especially with how many quests and references there are of us slaughtering animals left and right to the point its even stated in Diadem we're responsible for the nigh-on extinction of an animal species.

[Raven2014]

Could you give me some citations on this? Because i really dont see this at all.

How can you not see it when it's the exact reason behind Herme's identity crisis, so much he decided to seek comfort in others star? I mean ... his last line was basically something like "if the law says imperfection has no right to exist, then by the virtue that man is imperfect, then he too must be erased". I don't remember the exact line but he said something to that effect. And while I don't have SS to share, I had cited several instances "in the MSQ" for this. Another example is when the researchers insist on "delete" the flying shark concept due to the mutation after 3 generation, despite the solution is fairly trivial if one bother to look. His assistant even wonder why Herme wanted to go through all the trouble when it would be much simpler to just simply delete and restart.


Sure, you can cite some acedonetal evidence to the contrary, but if the apathy toward life is the exception rather than the norm, I doubt Herme would have turned out the way he did. Also, dressing up "death" with pretty words doesn't make it s0. In real life, we do this as a way to cope, while the ancient actually believe it so (which make it worse). Venat and Herme basically hold the view of our normal society, while the ancient society view is more align to what we would consider to be a cult in real life.

As far as the scions go, im fairly certain Estinien wasnt weeping or crying for all of the dragons he was slaughtering, and Graha/Ironworks were willing to sacrifice an entire timeline of people to die to bring back the WoL and avert a calamity.

Then you missed the whole point of the "human potential theme". Go back to the cutsceen where Hydalyn address the Scion, in fact she specifically address this particular point about Estinien. Where his fire for vengeance consumed him, now in its place is a fire for life burn brightly. That's the whole point about the concept of suffer then change for the better.

Very unlike the Ancient, who are even after suffer the tragedy of the final day still decide to reject it while clinging to the old way.