A video showcasing all of Dark Knight's removed job actions. Thoughts?

[Oizen]

How would any of you fix it then? Should SE bring back any of those old skills? Genuinely curious.

With the exception of something like plunge, make them all give a resource?
Maybe make Bloodspiller/Quietus into another healing move
Make Shadowbringer give blood
Maybe some enhanced resource generation while inside of Salted Earth?
Oblation or Darkmind should just be the return of something like blood price, take damage to gain resource, which is honestly the only remaining identity Dark Knight currently has, carried solely by TBN.

Just random spitball ideas here, but anything would be better than Dark Knight having so many weird ogcds that don't really do anything other than damage. Its kinda sad we've gotten to the point where DRK has so many ogcds that it managed to get top DPS while feeling so jank.

[Undeadfire]

Oblation or Darkmind should just be the return of something like blood price, take damage to gain resource, which is honestly the only remaining identity Dark Knight currently has, carried solely by TBN.

SE won't do this anymore, not ever again.

Examples > Low Blow, Shield Swipe, Blood Price, getting more DPS taking damage, losing DPS if the job isn't main tanking, it only encourages comps to soak more damage they should be avoiding to get more DPS.

[Oizen]

SE won't do this anymore, not ever again.

Examples > Low Blow, Shield Swipe, Blood Price, getting more DPS taking damage, losing DPS if the job isn't main tanking, it only encourages comps to soak more damage they should be avoiding to get more DPS.

I would argue that TBN already does this to some level.

[Sazuzaki]

SE won't do this anymore, not ever again.

Examples > Low Blow, Shield Swipe, Blood Price, getting more DPS taking damage, losing DPS if the job isn't main tanking, it only encourages comps to soak more damage they should be avoiding to get more DPS.

I really don't get "dps loss if the job isn't main tanking."

You guys do realize you can put this on other people right? And if that's such a hassle, what about DRG's Dragon Sight? Don't get me wrong, it IS a DPS loss if you don't defend properly. But TBH, tanks need to be better rewarded for defending. There needs to be more incentives to actually use our CDs, rather than just being a scuffed DPS. Say if Oblation restored MP when hit, just slap it on the current MT and there you go, DPS gain with no need for you to take aggro. The problem with Shield Swipe was you couldn't put Sheltron on other tanks. Oblation and TBN (which functions the exact same as old Sheltron, just harder to proc) can be put on other tanks.

[Valknut]

I really don't get "dps loss if the job isn't main tanking."

You guys do realize you can put this on other people right? And if that's such a hassle, what about DRG's Dragon Sight? Don't get me wrong, it IS a DPS loss if you don't defend properly. But TBH, tanks need to be better rewarded for defending. There needs to be more incentives to actually use our CDs, rather than just being a scuffed DPS. Say if Oblation restored MP when hit, just slap it on the current MT and there you go, DPS gain with no need for you to take aggro. The problem with Shield Swipe was you couldn't put Sheltron on other tanks. Oblation and TBN (which functions the exact same as old Sheltron, just harder to proc) can be put on other tanks.

We don't use common sense round here!

[Undeadfire]

I would argue that TBN already does this to some level.

In cases yes, but it can be shared than self only, Blood Price, Low Blow, Shield Swipe is self only.

I really don't get "dps loss if the job isn't main tanking."

You guys do realize you can put this on other people right? And if that's such a hassle, what about DRG's Dragon Sight? Don't get me wrong, it IS a DPS loss if you don't defend properly. But TBH, tanks need to be better rewarded for defending. There needs to be more incentives to actually use our CDs, rather than just being a scuffed DPS. Say if Oblation restored MP when hit, just slap it on the current MT and there you go, DPS gain with no need for you to take aggro. The problem with Shield Swipe was you couldn't put Sheltron on other tanks. Oblation and TBN (which functions the exact same as old Sheltron, just harder to proc) can be put on other tanks.

You're miss understanding what I am stating.

Low Blow: Self only > Refreshes when Dark Knight parries.
Blood Price: Self only > Gets more MP taking any source of damage.
Shield Swipe: Self only > Gets more DPS shield blocking attacks.

TBN/Oblation can be shared, these three ^ cannot, you see where I am driving at? "Sharing buffs with team mates and/or self for more DPS is fine", getting more DPS that can only activate by taking damage and only can be used on yourself is not ok. It forces a drive to exploit.

[Sazuzaki]

Low Blow: Self only > Refreshes when Dark Knight parries.
Blood Price: Self only > Gets more MP taking any source of damage.
Shield Swipe: Self only > Gets more DPS shield blocking attacks.

TBN/Oblation can be shared, these three ^ cannot.

I stated that already though, and that's why I think that it would be cool if we got more "parry" abilities for tanks that reward us for defending others as well. I see a lot of people saying skills like TBN should be reworked/removed cause it rewards a DPS gain for main tanking, even tho that's not the case at all.

If only Sheltron in the past could be shared. Also, I reread my post and it wasn't obvious that I was stating that Sheltron couldn't be shared. Sorry about that.

[Undeadfire]

I stated that already though, and that's why I think that it would be cool if we got more "parry" abilities for tanks that reward us for defending others as well. I see a lot of people saying skills like TBN should be reworked/removed cause it rewards a DPS gain for main tanking, even tho that's not the case at all.

TBN if reworked to not punish (Grants Dark Arts, by the buff timer running out, and/or shield break) and rewarding DPS is fine, that's not a problem at all, can be shared. I am only against self only abilities and rewarding DPS gains for it. Though the cooldown may have to extend.

If only Sheltron in the past could be shared. Also, I reread my post and it wasn't obvious that I was stating that Sheltron couldn't be shared. Sorry about that.

We have Intervention anyway, it has the same additions Sheltron received, extra 10% if Rampart, or Sentinel is active, can only be used on team mates, not self. It's pretty fair.

[Sazuzaki]

We have Intervention anyway, it has the same additions Sheltron received, extra 10% if Rampart, or Sentinel is active, can only be used on team mates, not self. It's pretty fair.

I meant for Shield Swipe. It would be cool to see tanks actually rewarded for defending themselves and others properly, aside from just taking less damage and allowing the healers to dps more. It's just not that satisfying from the tanks perspective.

I mean, PLD barely uses the shield anyway, so I would love to see it more in the rotation. That parry in the Endwalker trailer looked pretty dope.

Anyways, I'm getting off topic from the OP.