People advertising they're running Parsers

[Michieltjuhh]

Except it's time for a bit of truth over the new EX trial parsers especially.

I'm now the highest achievable iLevel with a fine tuned build, still fine tuning my rotation and always pull my weight, but my parse is only green...

I checked to see if this was on me, but then I noticed something after checking the purple and orange parse results in my job....

They are doing absolutely horrible dps during both EX add phases (some drop as low as 2k dps), because unlike previous EXes the add phase doesn't count toward your result and guess what that means?

They're getting carried by others in the add phase because they value a parse result over consistent clearing, their greed is actually endangering runs of failing because they're not using their rotation and tools as they're supposed to, to clear the add phase.

And guess what happens if the add phase does fail because say only 1 of the 4 is using their tools correctly? They instantly leave in a huff.

Why would you not Apex/Blast arrow the lined up adds? Why would you not fire off Radiant Finale/BV to make the add phase as smooth as possible? Greedy, Selfish desire to have a top parse.

I take absolutely massive exception to this kind of behaviour and will blacklist anyone I suspect of holding the team back on account of their own parse.

Your parse means nothing if you are going to potentially cause a wipe because "buh add phase don't count"

This is my problem with parse obsession, this will always be my problem with parse obsession and it's something I stand fully behind.

The tool is for self improvement, for tidying up where you go wrong

Not for getting your backside carried through certain phases because "it doesn't effect your score"

I'm not sure what exactly you're looking at but it's nothing I can find. Far as I can see, add damage matters and they blow their load into them. You just seem to lack optimization, which is fine, but if I could choose between them (group advertising as log group) and you (group advertising as farm group), I know where my preference lies. And I don't need my own parser to have that preference, so no rules broken on my end.

[Michieltjuhh]

Theoretically speaking, wouldn't the point of a "barse party" be one's own parse? Unless you're dying or getting others killed, I'm not super sure people would care about YOUR parse there would they? If it were a speed run, sure.

Take my musings with some salt tho, I play with my static so idk the typical pf culture.

The idea is that party finder is - for a lack of better wording - full of boosted trash that will die 5+ times on reclears because they spent the majority of their first kill(s) on the ground as well, and the EX trials are so easily tuned that they get away with it. The leaders of these "log runs" will weed out those players from their party to ensure everyone there is of similar skill level for smooth kills. They make mistakes as well of course, we're all human, but they just tend to do it less frequently.

Personally, as someone who tries to be as good as I possibly can, I appreciate these type of groups more (assuming I can even get in), because at least there I know I'm not carrying someone who doesn't - in my opinion - deserve it.

[Ayche]

People are free to choose who they play with. If someone is using the logs to be a dick, they are mostly likely just a dick. Don't play with them

Mmm yes, but it is more about culture of expectations.
People with bad behavior can still be held in high regard just by them being good at video games. This is universal in pretty much ... every video game community. Being good at video games is virtuous, being bad at them is sinful. If things get normalized (which is a line drawn in the sand), it can spread everywhere. Then it is no longer being a dick, but "righteous dunker of bads". And then it can become widespread enough that you cannot choose who you play with.

[Basherr]

AHHAHAHAHA... you're definitely getting kicked from all my groups if that's your attitude.

Ego: wrong unless you're in a static going for speeds. GG 1 strike
Belittle others: only if the other party starts it. Try to keep up with baseline standards for playing a MMO (read as: yes you're expected to do more than just stand there on a healer, yes you're expected to use CDs as tank).
People who aren't performing: Who cares? Make your own group. Don't cry about it.. or do. Most of this community chooses the latter instead of looking up the multitude of resources out there to help you as a player improve and would rather "WAHHHH ELITISM CAUSE PERSON A ASKED ME TO HIT BROTHERHOOD/GLARE/RAMPART"

Nice off-shoot of white/black btw.

It's perfectly fine for people not to care about their own performance and be happy about being bad etc.

Doesn't mean other people have to want to play with them or carry them through content

[Michieltjuhh]

Mmm yes, but it is more about culture of expectations.
People with bad behavior can still be held in high regard just by them being good at video games. This is universal in pretty much ... every video game community. Being good at video games is virtuous, being bad at them is sinful. If things get normalized (which is a line drawn in the sand), it can spread everywhere. Then it is no longer being a dick, but "righteous dunker of bads". And then it can become widespread enough that you cannot choose who you play with.

If you're doing a group school project, who would you rather be working with, the person scoring As or the one scoring Cs? And no, you don't know their attitude, the person getting As can be the most humble being on earth and the person getting Cs the lazy arrogant prick who thinks he deserves better without putting in the effort. In my experience, the latter is incredibly common in FF14, and people in this thread are trying to stop you from choosing who you get to play with, only giving me more reason to think they're angry that folks don't want to carry them to clearing content they don't deserve.

[JanVanding]

On the add phases not counting: figured out exactly what they're doing

There appears to be a cheese on EX2 that bypasses the Add increased defenses allowing them to kill the adds off quickly with a Limit Break almost entirely bypassing the phase.

Which is of course a coordinated static strategy which may eventually filter down to PUG farming at a later date.

However this is leading to parse obsessers (and I've had them in my PFs) tanking their dps on adds to try hold burst for after while not doing the LB strategy.

If their parse ain't purple they will try to cause a wipe "oh mb wasn't paying attention"

Except you were paying attention the other times you did that mech and suddenly you weren't?

[Rolder50]

Literally took me all of two seconds to check.

Add phase world number 2 EX trial 2: 396 dps

Yes, 396. I shan't link it because rules, but you're quite free to check it yourself.

I'm looking at Number 2 on EX2, character by the first name of Rose, phase filter set to P2, and Rose is doing... 5903 dps, the most damage in that party by a decent margin

[Ayche]

If you're doing a group school project, who would you rather be working with, the person scoring As or the one scoring Cs? And no, you don't know their attitude, the person getting As can be the most humble being on earth and the person getting Cs the lazy arrogant prick who thinks he deserves better without putting in the effort. In my experience, the latter is incredibly common in FF14, and people in this thread are trying to stop you from choosing who you get to play with, only giving me more reason to think they're angry that folks don't want to carry them to clearing content they don't deserve.

The thing is, for where this matters, that is pug groups, they are not work but play. The football matches in schools if we want to stick to the school metaphor. And excluding others because you want to win does more damage to the social circles around than everyone playing nice and playing with the fat kid, even if you might lose then.

This might be controversial but ... coffers are not that important. Competitive first races and stuff are all fine and all, I have nothing but respect for people who play them and are good at their roles, but for vast majority of the game content, nothing in it is worth hurting others feelings for. A 20 numbers higher accessory trinket people will toss out give or take 3-6 months? Just bunch of higher stats inside the computer? Pretty much worthless in the long run, but bad vibes in a video game can last for ages. I hope nobody has made others feel miserable because of some goddamn ilvl 580 rings.

[SturmChurro]

Parties shouldn't hit enrage with a min. ilvl of 570, sorry not sorry.

They shouldn't, but..

[Azuri]

The thing is, for where this matters, that is pug groups, they are not work but play. The football matches in schools if we want to stick to the school metaphor. And excluding others because you want to win does more damage to the social circles around than everyone playing nice and playing with the fat kid, even if you might lose then.

This might be controversial but ... coffers are not that important. Competitive first races and stuff are all fine and all, I have nothing but respect for people who play them and are good at their roles, but for vast majority of the game content, nothing in it is worth hurting others feelings for. A 20 numbers higher accessory trinket people will toss out give or take 3-6 months? Just bunch of higher stats inside the computer? Pretty much worthless in the long run, but bad vibes in a video game can last for ages. I hope nobody has made others feel miserable because of some goddamn ilvl 580 rings.

I'm not having fun when I'm playing with a terrible player who wipes on every other mechanic and prevents the party from clearing. There is no "play" happening in such situation and my fun is indeed more important to me. Sorry, not sorry.