People advertising they're running Parsers

[Chie_M]

Parties shouldn't hit enrage with a min. ilvl of 570, sorry not sorry.

[Basherr]

0.1% of people misusing a tool doesn't make it a bad thing.

Bots use /sh for spamming real money services, but that doesn't make /sh bad for the game.

Those people are likely in prebuolt groups that support their parse attempts, not random PF clears.

There's a bunch of groups in the PF advertising with words like "Log Run", "Parse Run" etc etc. If people are super against the idea of attempting to parse, they
can always just (shock horror), not join those groups. Nobody is forcing people to join those runs.

As a newer player I wouldn't bother joining these runs but If 8 people want to get together and attempt to come up with strats to parse as high as possible,
good luck to them it has literally 0 impact on me.

[GarretStrongstaf]

Advertising you're going to use it in PF is saying you'll use it to scrutinise others that join. The thing SE doesn't want people doing. You wish to use your Abacus great, fab, I like writing math on a sheet too...

But that's my business

First, let me say that if you have ever been bullied by another player for anything relating to play-style, that's terrible, and I am sorry. There are plenty of ways for players to get what they need from the party finder without bullying a stranger. Period.

However, I disagree that an advertisement of "barsing" in the party finder is automatically "saying you will use it to scrutinize others that join." For many, it is an identifier letting other players know that party wishes to approach the content from a perspective that is different from say a "Practice" party." The party finder already has built in identifiers that literally lock players out of parties who are not at the same point in a fight. By this logic, one could argue that this function "scrutinizes" players that have yet to clear a fight. But we still have "Practice," and "Duty Complete," to let people know how the group will be approaching the content without directly saying to an individual "you may want to get more experience in this fight before joining." "Barse" or a "farm" parties serve this same function. And it accomplishes this without directly scrutinizing an individual player.

These last two are not implemented as official identifiers in the party finder because Yoshi P. has, rightfully, banned "compelling players to use a certain play-style" and discussion of damage meters to prevent the blanket scrutiny you are talking about. If these were “officially” implemented, it would be saying that the end goal in FFXIV would be to "barse" or "farm and Yoshi P. is on record saying that he doesn't want FFXIV to be “all about efficiency.” (July Liveletter). This is also why these identifiers have not been outright banned from party finder either, because there are some players who approach content in this way, and as long as they aren't directly and intentionally hurting anyone doing it, why bother them? That’s my problem with your post. It appears to be attacking a community that is just trying to do their own thing. For some, the best part of FFXIV is optimizing their kits on the field. While there are some unfriendly people, there are also many players who use "barse" and "farm" parties to achieve personal goals. Not to scrutinize individuals like your post suggests.

In terms of overall success in FFXIV, I personally find that reading thoroughly and using good judgement in communication with others are as important as knowing your classes’ toolkit in battle. As such, I tend to not join parties who are approaching content from a place of which I am not yet comfortable.

[SaberMaxwell]

Theoretically speaking, wouldn't the point of a "barse party" be one's own parse? Unless you're dying or getting others killed, I'm not super sure people would care about YOUR parse there would they? If it were a speed run, sure.

Take my musings with some salt tho, I play with my static so idk the typical pf culture.

[Sylve]

There's a bunch of groups in the PF advertising with words like "Log Run", "Parse Run" etc etc. If people are super against the idea of attempting to parse, they
can always just (shock horror), not join those groups. Nobody is forcing people to join those runs.

As a newer player I wouldn't bother joining these runs but If 8 people want to get together and attempt to come up with strats to parse as high as possible,
good luck to them it has literally 0 impact on me.

Something worth noting is that PS4 players do not have easy access to a parser. So if someone on console wanted to see their own performance but cant because of console limitations, those runs advertising for parsers allow them to join and have their stats revealed to them. It is their choice to join as much as it is the party leaders choice to advertise it.

Parsers only become a problem when the player using it is more of a tool than the parser.

[Basherr]

I can only speak about parsing in the context of wow classic, as I'm only started playing final fantasy in the last year.

In wow for example if you kill the boss faster, then a larger portion of the fight would take place during cooldown windows. Making peoples dps higher.

[Basherr]

I will be running it in the background, this savage tier will be my first and I want to know what I'm doing wrong.

[Ayche]

As with all things measured, the data is not evil, just how it is used.
But it is really hard to punish bad behavior with that data, especially since it can instill a culture where ... the bad behavior is held at high regard.
Also percentiles are a garbage way to represent the data, especially in environment where only a very small portion of the community is recorded anyway.

[Basherr]

As with all things measured, the data is not evil, just how it is used.
But it is really hard to punish bad behavior with that data, especially since it can instill a culture where ... the bad behavior is held at high regard.
Also percentiles are a garbage way to represent the data, especially in environment where only a very small portion of the community is recorded anyway.

People are free to choose who they play with. If someone is using the logs to be a dick, they are mostly likely just a dick. Don't play with them

[Xuled]

Regardless of a parser not modifying any code and the whole "Don't ask don't tell", I think parsing should be a bannable offense. There is no point in needing to run a parser at all. It's literally only a tool to feed your own ego on FFLogs, belittle others and weed out players who aren't performing to said parsers desirable level.

AHHAHAHAHA... you're definitely getting kicked from all my groups if that's your attitude.

Ego: wrong unless you're in a static going for speeds. GG 1 strike
Belittle others: only if the other party starts it. Try to keep up with baseline standards for playing a MMO (read as: yes you're expected to do more than just stand there on a healer, yes you're expected to use CDs as tank).
People who aren't performing: Who cares? Make your own group. Don't cry about it.. or do. Most of this community chooses the latter instead of looking up the multitude of resources out there to help you as a player improve and would rather "WAHHHH ELITISM CAUSE PERSON A ASKED ME TO HIT BROTHERHOOD/GLARE/RAMPART"

Nice off-shoot of white/black btw.