Help to those wasting time trying to love changes they didn't want

[Connor]

Honestly I think Summoner is better now than it’s ever been. Potencies etc need adjusting because it’s dps is unfairly low but apart from that it’s fun and looks cool? I love rotating between the different Demi-primals and how each one changes up the rotation. i.e Ifrit does charge, Garuda is speedy but necessitates Swiftcast for Astral Flow, Titan has mobility and the most oGCD windows. It has good utility in Searing Light and Radiant Shield - though the windows you can actually use them are very limited lol

Bard on the other hand still feels hollow to me, it’s like a pure DPS desperately trying to convince everyone it’s a support so they’ll take it to raids. Battle Voice and Finale are conveyor-belt cool downs (same timing and usage every fight because raid buff line-up). They don’t actually do anything for the party either since the affect the Bard; you’d use them at the same time for the same purposes even if they solely affected the Bard. They could be automatic and nothing would change for Bards.
Minne is functionally useless - the countless threads of healers having nothing to heal attest to this. Paean has too long a cool-down for its lacklustre effect to ever be useful because the very few times a removable debuff appears you can only remove it from one party member anyway…every 45 seconds. But when removable debuffs do appear, they tend to hit more than one party member anyway.
Troubadour is a role skill but again - healers aren’t generally complaining about players taking vast amounts of damage anyway.

Honestly I feel like the current iteration of Bard is just nothing but shiny, high potency arrow attacks because they really wanted to cover up how bad the ‘support’ aspect of the job has become. Numerically it’s fine; in terms of actually playing, it feels like an Archer with two useless songs and some passive party buffs that don’t make any meaningful difference to the job.
And at that the DPS side doesn’t make a lot of sense either. DoTs are nigh-irrelevant a lot of the time yet they didn’t give us anything to manage or consider in their place. Paeon is now an entire song where you don’t hit your oGCDs (Bloodletter) so they retain charges for burst phase which doesn’t make any sense for a supposedly proc-based oGCD heavy dps and I genuinely think is the result of an oversight and not some big brain changes they made to Bard’s rotation. Barrage doesn’t proc Shadowbite which can make trying to get it during big pulls a pain, especially if you’ve used Raging Strikes. Minne and Paean don’t have any meaningful interaction with Bard’s dps which just makes them feel even more irrelevant as abilities.

[ssunny2008]

Potencies etc need adjusting because it’s dps is unfairly low but apart from that it’s fun and looks cool?

I can´t see anything which justifies a higher damage output. The new SMN is nothing but animation-spam. It´s so simple (simpler as DNC?!), i would actually call it a RDPS-class with summoning crystals instead of a caster and that´s even the level of DPS it should stuck with.

Reaper and Monk need a hard nerf in potency given to "how simple they´re" too.

[rewd]

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To be fair, you are using a lot of double standards here.

- Apparently looking cool is a plus for SMN, but a symptom of being a shallow job for BRD?
- Why is Radiant Finale boring and automatic because you always line it up with raid buffs, but Searing Light is "good"?
- DoTs on BRD are night-irrelevant, but no mention at all for SMN's Aetherflow?

Not to mention you highlighted some serious flaws of new SMN, even though they were meant to be praises. For example Titan has the most oGCD windows... With nothing to weave in them.

[Easayia]

Honestly I feel like the current iteration of Bard is just nothing but shiny, high potency arrow attacks because they really wanted to cover up how bad the ‘support’ aspect of the job has become. Numerically it’s fine; in terms of actually playing, it feels like an Archer with two useless songs and some passive party buffs that don’t make any meaningful difference to the job.
And at that the DPS side doesn’t make a lot of sense either. DoTs are nigh-irrelevant a lot of the time yet they didn’t give us anything to manage or consider in their place. Paeon is now an entire song where you don’t hit your oGCDs (Bloodletter) so they retain charges for burst phase which doesn’t make any sense for a supposedly proc-based oGCD heavy dps and I genuinely think is the result of an oversight and not some big brain changes they made to Bard’s rotation. Barrage doesn’t proc Shadowbite which can make trying to get it during big pulls a pain, especially if you’ve used Raging Strikes. Minne and Paean don’t have any meaningful interaction with Bard’s dps which just makes them feel even more irrelevant as abilities.

2 useless songs? the only song that feels bad is Armies peon......

The Dots are probably going to go away and have 2 new skills replace them since the dots no longer do anything other then damage you refresh. As I have said before though what would you replace them with bows normally have different types of arrows :shrug.

"Honestly I feel like the current iteration of Bard is just nothing but shiny, high potency arrow attacks because they really wanted to cover up how bad the ‘support’ aspect of the job has become"
In terms of Support what do you want Bard to have? DPS is the most important stat in the game until that changes there's not much you can do..... .

Bard now has Battle voice and Radiant Finale for damage buffs to both them and the party which is great since we are a DPS that is what we are. We still have a few situational support skills but so do the other phys Range DPS...... and when looking at Bard now lined up with the other phys ranged its right where it should be in DPS.

BARDs a DPS Support role doesnt exist it never has unless you call giving someone mana support.......