So this started happening.

[Aelin_Ashryver]

Dark knight sucks, royally. As a sage if a dark knight hits living dead and becomes walking dead I am letting him die because there is not a hope in hell to heal him to 100% if I presumably used all my resources trying to STOP him getting to that point in the first place. Easier to simply rez him and top him up. Not had any die on me yet at all but the fact remains, I am NOT healing that sh*t
Weakest tank by far, I don't care about it's dps.. defensively it is the worst, the invuln has long been the worst and they refuse to change it and it is now the most boring tank to play imo, shame since it is aesthetically my fave and was my main tank in stormblood. I don't even want DRK in my pf parties, until SE does something to them I am never recruiting them in my pf.

[Oizen]

DRK was good when the other tanks didn't have as much sustain as they do now. With Endlwaker, all tanks got a big upgrade to their short mitigation, except DRK. This upgrade made all tanks better than DRK.

Oblation (60s CD) should have been merged with TBN (15s CD). Remove the MP cost from TBN and make it a 25s CD. Why increase unnecessary button bloat where you have to use Oblation and TBN separately? And why keep the MP cost to punish DRK DPS if the shield doesn't break?

I've heard something along these lines a few times now, and I cant help but think that increasing the cooldown and removing the MP cost is a net decrease in survivability for Dark Knight, not increase.
TBN being outclassed is one thing, but there really isn't much to put inbetween TBN uses, lackluster skills like Dark Mind and Living Dead are also huge problems.

I think it says a lot that Ramprt/Reprisal outclass DRK's own mitigation tools.

[ssunny2008]

we are not talking about that its impossible to to do stuff with DRK we are talking about how SHIT is it to do it with a DRK compared to the other Tanks.
your constantly jumping on this.

Ähem, lol?

You and others here just compare tanks, but don´t look at the whole game.

And given to your and other claims "It´s impossible to do stuff on DRK or that nobody wants to run stuff with DRK". You want to bring DRK on the stupid level of WAR in trash-content for whatever reason instead of balancing around the whole game since tanks are still broken and healers nothing but 1 button DPS.
I´ve nothing against more interactive gameplay and survivieabilities on any classes especially DPS ones. But if we need to sacrifize a whole role for this, then it´s the wrong way. Either they buff the content so hard that hard self-sustain is justified or tanks need a flat nerf, same with RPR.

[Bhearil]

Even if they nerf Holy Shelltron and Heart of Corumdum (not even mentioning Bloodwetting) self healing they are still better than TBN, not counting DRK kit is a complete mess compared to the rest even if they do have some issues like GNB No Mercy window they are not close to the problems DRK faces.

Right now DRk only has damage and the difference between the second (GNB) is so little that it doesnt justify all the other issues the DRK has.

Basically SE went, okay your kit sucks, bu-but you have TBN!! And the biggest(albeit for a teeny bit) tank damage!! Its an ok job!!

DRk is comparable to a second hand normal car vs a expensive shiny new one: both can be used as transport but they are NOT the same neither they have equal overall performance

[Zordrage]

Ähem, lol?



And given to your and other claims "It´s impossible to do stuff on DRK or that nobody wants to run stuff with DRK". You want to bring DRK on the stupid level of WAR in trash-content for whatever reason instead of balancing around the whole game since tanks are still broken and healers nothing but 1 button DPS.
I´ve nothing against more interactive gameplay and survivieabilities on any classes especially DPS ones. But if we need to sacrifize a whole role for this, then it´s the wrong way. Either they buff the content so hard that hard self-sustain is justified or tanks need a flat nerf, same with RPR.

i allready mentioned in multiple posts that Wars Selfsustain NEED to be tuned down while DRKs selfsustain need to be buffed in someway. i DON'T want any tank to be on Warriors level selfsustain thats just broken.
and i said this in Multiple posts at this point.
your again jumping the gun and saying "you all bad you all don't know anything about tanks and how they should be balanced"

DRK is a Tissue paper compared to the other tanks right now and needs sustain Buffs no mater how you look at it.

and again nobody is saying its impossible just so frustrating and bad compared to other TANKS that they rather switch from DRK to another Tanking job.

Why are you talking like an Elitist saying Trash content LOL we want DRK to have selfsustain in ALL content like all other Tanks.

The content has no Meaning here, you either have good selfsustain or don't. and DRK right now does not have any.

[ssunny2008]

i allready mentioned in multiple posts that Wars Selfsustain NEED to be tuned down while DRKs selfsustain need to be buffed in someway. i DON'T want any tank to be on Warriors level selfsustain thats just broken.
and i said this in Multiple posts at this point.
your again jumping the gun and saying "you all bad you all don't know anything about tanks and how they should be balanced"

DRK is a Tissue paper compared to the other tanks right now and needs sustain Buffs no mater how you look at it.

and again nobody is saying its impossible just so frustrating and bad compared to other TANKS that they rather switch from DRK to another Tanking job.

Why are you talking like an Elitist saying Trash content LOL we want DRK to have selfsustain in ALL content like all other Tanks.

The content has no Meaning here, you either have good selfsustain or don't. and DRK right now does not have any.

The content has a lot of meaning, because you don´t need any self-sustain without hardhitting content. ALL tanks are still able to solo pretty much any boss out there. The points you and other claiming are more like "Bigpulls, healer beware!" and those only happen in dungeons (braindead trashcontent) so far. The trials are no issue, tankbusters are no issue, EX content is no issue... the damage income is laughable and can mostly be healed with 123. Bigpulls are the only fear for any tank out there and it´s not like you still have a healer with a bunch of oGCD´s only for the tank. (And srsly, there seems to be only 1 bigpull kicking into ANY tanks balls. The last one in Zot. Seems more like wrong scaling since everything else is standard.)

If you´re frustrated just because you´re not able to go "Yolo" as DRK, then i´ve no words for you.
Claim whatever you want, but objectively seen DRK is more than viable in any content. It would be another thing if you´re not able to finish several dungeons or trials or if it´s just doable with max gear, but that´s not the case. All tanks are superior in their kit and while PLD / GNB / DRK need a nerf, WAR needs a double-hitting one. If savage won´t come with tankkiller-mechanics every couple seconds, then the current tanks-design is not justified.


(Someone in the other thread has even checked out the numbers of GNB and DRK and compared 15s BLN to 25s HoC. Looks balanced so far.)

Because "continuous defense and self-healing" isn't all that important when you're comparing a 15-second recast to a 25-second recast. You're comparing 100% mitigation for 1-2 seconds on a 15 second recast to 28% mitigation for 4 seconds and then 15% mitigation for another 4 seconds followed by 17 seconds of the skill being on cooldown - the self-heal isn't gravy on top of a better mitigative skill; it's basically a hard requirement just for it to be able to keep pace with the much faster cooldown.

If you go look at a detailed log of what happens during a dungeon pull when a GNB uses Heart of Corundum at the peak of incoming damage during a pull, you'll find that it's most often mitigating about 11-12k damage and healing 12-13k damage, for a total swing of 23-25k HP over a 25 second cycle. If you look at the same log of what happens during the same pull with a DRK using TBN at the peak of incoming damage, you're shielding for 17.5k-19k HP over a 15 second cycle.

The two skills are within about 10% of each other in terms of overall sustained mitigation, and the difference is most often tilted in TBN's favour.

[Valknut]

Cool you picked the one tank no one is comparing DRK to. Gnb is hands down better in the sustain department then DRK. Go for it, and argue against that.

The game is not a vacuum, stop acting like it is. Yes TBN is a good skill, the rest of DRKs kit does not make up for it. HoC, is a good skill the rest of Gnb kit is assisting it, Holysheltron is a good skill and the rest of PLDs kit is substantial assisting it, Blood wetting and war L O L

[Xrison]

Cool you picked the one tank no one is comparing DRK to. Gnb is hands down better in the sustain department then DRK. Go for it, and argue against that.

The game is not a vacuum, stop acting like it is. Yes TBN is a good skill, the rest of DRKs kit does not make up for it. HoC, is a good skill the rest of Gnb kit is assisting it, Holysheltron is a good skill and the rest of PLDs kit is substantial assisting it, Blood wetting and war L O L

The one thing I'll give DRK, is that it's an awesome way to become more confident in your tanking abilities. After running through several dungeons as DRK and dealing with it's toolkit (or lack thereof), I'm now confident enough to pull W2W in dungeons with the other tanks because they actually have sustain and good damage mitigation CDs.

I've actually decided to main GNB for a while until SE (hopefully) fixes DRK. Then, I'll gladly go back to being an edgelord.

[ssunny2008]

Cool you picked the one tank no one is comparing DRK to.

It was just an example and to which tank are you or anyone else here refering too? WAR?!
It´s not like ppl always claimed "all tanks, not just WAR" while all agree WAR is just broken. So what´s wrong with GNB? Not broken enough to assist your claims?

[Valknut]

Try reading, it helps understand peoples points.

"Yes TBN is a good skill, the rest of DRKs kit does not make up for it. HoC, is a good skill the rest of Gnb kit is assisting it"

Drk is worse hands down then other tanks in dungeons, its hands down worse for prog, and its hands down worse in the hands of 90% of players then just playing GNB/WAR* for DPS.

Do you have any information that disputes this?