I think 7.0 should focus on reworking old job designs instead of adding new jobs

[Raikai]

Let me start by saying i am not against new jobs, but we are at like what 20 jobs now, and some jobs are in big need of proper rework. They should avoid new jobs on next xpac to focus on general combat update (removal of classes for example) and rework jobs that are still being dragged down by outdated mechanics.

Okay... one thing you should consider is that job design is intrinsically tied to encounter design. For them to do very meaningful changes to one, needs to remake the other as well. For example, if you want to make the act of healing more interesting, you got to look first how the damage from fights are structured and start the change from there.

That's one of the reasons why Blue Mage became a limited job. The concept of job customization (aka a myriad of blue magic) is too outlandish to be inserted as it is in their formulaic fight designs. And that is not saying it's right or wrong to be done, but just looking at how things are in the present.

Alternatively they could mold the job to those parameters to the risk of it becoming Blue Mage just in the name.

[Jybril]

Make AST great again please.

[storm]

Now would be a good time to ditch the ARR class->job system entirely. Add the old 1-30 class quests as optional quest lines so we don't lose them entirely, but ditch the 1-30 class system. They've entirely ditched it as a concept in HW and beyond, and it has held them back in some design cases so just clean it up and make the entire job system uniform across all jobs.

[Shurrikhan]

Now would be a good time to ditch the ARR class->job system entirely. Add the old 1-30 class quests as optional quest lines so we don't lose them entirely, but ditch the 1-30 class system. They've entirely ditched it as a concept in HW and beyond, and it has held them back in some design cases so just clean it up and make the entire job system uniform across all jobs.

And have people just start at level 30?

Or do, say, all Gladiators just start, as a level 1 hobo-for-hire, as part of a semi-secretive, highly selective order of royal bodyguards?

[ZeraSkiratea]

Now would be a good time to ditch the ARR class->job system entirely. Add the old 1-30 class quests as optional quest lines so we don't lose them entirely, but ditch the 1-30 class system. They've entirely ditched it as a concept in HW and beyond, and it has held them back in some design cases so just clean it up and make the entire job system uniform across all jobs.

they "ditched" it because you cant very well have a endwalker class start at LVL1 without some VERY jarring problems(like how current RDM gets dual cast trait at LVL 1, but his first spell is learned at level 2. which makes the first enemy in POTD always interesting to fight because i always forget it and try to cast jolt when i have to use my melee attack)


The Class=>job System dosnt really hold ANYTHING back given of how it works with the potential exception of scholar/summoner as that one is just an odd case.
Please tell me where the Class system held them back?


1-30 are meant to introduce the very most basic of basics, Dragoon/lancer learns 8 skills, 7 of which are iirc straight up DMG skills, one is a HP regen on attacks.
WHM/CNJ learns 7 skills up to 30, one is just an upgrade to stone so 6 unique skills, 4 of them are specific healing/raising skills


The ONLY weird thing about the class/job system is that iirc all ARR classes gain a skill at least at lvl50.. whitemage iirc even at 46(via trait dont remember if the trait is WHM speciifc, the Skill is listed under class tho)(not talking about role Abilitys btw but straight up class abilitys)


EDIT:
There is also the situation that in lore non of the new jobs technicaly have a "base class"
EXAMPLES:

a whm must have been a conjurer to evne be able to wield white magic in a fashion required for a whitemage
a BLM must have been a thaumaturge (or at least similiar) to have the affinity to wield black magic.


a MCN gets a gun and a generator and shoots things(oversimplified obviously) there is no prerequisite then the ability to manipulate aether(which most people can do to some capacity)

[Sorimachi87]

Yeah i feel the same way. We have a ton of jobs now. They should use the dev time for developing new jobs, to give the existing ones an overhaul.
I do like the way they are playing currently, but we are so far in now, that a fresh change can't hurt.

[Jirah]

If you are interested in unique mechanics for your job, asking SE for a rework will be the very last thing you want to do. Or have the "reworks" of DRK, all the healers, MCH, MNK and SMN taught you nothing?

Seconded, the last purely beneficial rework they’ve done was Bard in SB after the caster bullcrap in HW. Ever since then every job they reworked has been met with negative reception or positive reception but left mechanically barren (examples include AST loosing card play, SCH loosing DPS, DRK loosing dark arts and MP skill, MCH loosing ammo and turret controls, SMN loosing adds and interplay mechanics turning into essentially a healer DPS kit, MNK loosing both positional and Grease lightening for some half baked blitz idea)

[rachcouture]

Please no. Every time the dev team has reworked a job, it's been a disaster, and we're still feeling the losses today. Healers (AST's card system, SCH losing Selene, nearly every DPS skill removed, etc.), Bard (trampled over for Dancer, which should have been a buff healer like in XI), Dark Knight (Dark Arts spam was exhausting, especially on controller, but they've yet to replace it with anything meaningful; DRK has been a weaker, edgy version of WAR ever since), and I'm sure plenty of others that I've glossed over.

Of all the flaws in Endwalker, leaving the biggest majority of jobs alone is not one of them.

[Puremallace]

Let me start by saying i am not against new jobs, but we are at like what 20 jobs now, and some jobs are in big need of proper rework. They should avoid new jobs on next xpac to focus on general combat update (removal of classes for example) and rework jobs that are still being dragged down by outdated mechanics.

They LITERALLY reworked Ninja....Monk....Summoner.....Astrologian from the ground up in less than a year? Did you miss the rage threads here? They have been doing exactly what you have wanted. What other jobs do you want reworked? Hell crafting and gathering professions have been reworked atleast 5 times in the last year to try and prevent macros. They turn spearfishing into a mini game lol

For the love of god people please stop giving vague feedback to MMO developers because then they have to assume what will make the players happy and throw crap at a wall.

[CKNovel]

I agree we have enough jobs and can get an expansion without a new job.

Every time they release a new expansion there is massive downsides to existing jobs.
To me, the whole ranged role needs to be expanded, they went from support DPS to mobile DPS that excels nowhere with no use of their "mobility". Especially after SMN rework making it as mobile as a ranged.

During SB, MCH had massive problems, DRK was a spam job.
During ShB, the ranged role was shafted, DRK has no use for its new Dark side and still suffers TBN/LD, SMN got a rework, NIN got a rework, MNK got a rework due to how awful Anatman was.
Starting EW and we still have most of the same problems, DRK remains with TBN while other tanks gets TBN+, MCH wasn't expanded upon like they said they would do, SMN got a rework that went a bit too far, NIN is a candidate for a new rework, MNK player base is unhappy that their job got reworked instead of expanded upon like they said they would do.

I wish Job Design was at the same level of quality than the music or the story.