So this started happening.

[Recon1o6]

i havent seen a drk yet. As a gnb it feels absurd i can pop an excogitation on myself every 25s. Even with me friend lagging out as a sch im still doing max pulls without a hitch with rando dps. Only duty i had a remote challenge in was the tower of zot which is to be expected.

yesterday i did the 90 dungeon as a gnb. Second boss everyone except me died. Solod the boss from 70% health. The stack nearly killed me granted.

As a sage, I'm still going entire duties no doing any gcd heals, and maybe a druochole or taurachole in a dungeon. Kardia and mitigation together are that strong

When i was saging the 90 dungeon and the warrior never used mitigation, i barely noticed. When they kicked the bucket due to a stack of aoes that couldnt be seen over the volume of mobs, moving kardia to myself and rotating my ogcds meant i didnt kick the bucket for the 20s or so it took for swiftcast to come off cd after i fatfingered it

[Lilryu]

When I'm on WAR or PLD I rarely need a healer in 81-90 dungeons, they are there just to be my cheerleaders. I need some healer maintenance on GNB but nothing serious, DRK on the other hand...
If you honestly think that DRKs current kit in regards to mitigation and sustain is equal to the other tanks in dungeons, you are delusional and need to lay off the copium.

Leveling WAR, PLD, and GNB in the new dungeons has been the most fun I've had on leveling tanks in any expac, meanwhile DRK was a complete nightmare. It has nothing to do with player skill, how can a formula 1 racer compete if instead of their vehicle they have to race in a go cart? DRKs that don't recognize the issues with their job either afk too much in limsa or are being carried by very patient people.

I main healers, especially SGE, and I love the challenge of healing a DRK but I will not think less of other healers that don't wan to deal with that mess.

I know this all to well. I leveled Drk to 90 first because I like the look of the class but noticed things would get scary when I made big pulls in 81-89 dungeons, even dying a few times (not sure if me or healer though. a few had issues keeping me alive, while others had no problems)

Now I'm leveling up my war and its massively different, while pulling everything I may need a spot heal here and there but nothing like drk needing to be watched 24/7. Don't get me started on boss fights, even the TB is nothing to worry about. I try to cycle my cds perfectly but fail to do so sometimes but still have enough tools and self healing to get through it without coming close to dying as a war. Its definitely my favorite tanking class right now, I'm still gonna level my pld and gnb from 70 to 90 but right now I think war will be my main tank.

[Kalaam]

I died quite often in dungeons are a DRK, despite using all of my CDs
Haven't tried other tanks yet so cannot tell.

[Valknut]

I died quite often in dungeons are a DRK, despite using all of my CDs
Haven't tried other tanks yet so cannot tell.

Same boat, I refuse to run anything on DRK anymore because healers are so focused on AFKing. The way PLD and WAR are, Make Healers WORSE. I'm straight up kiting mobs with sprint an my healer is casting holy 3, and instead of healing they move and start casting holy 3 AGIAN! Drk needs to be given A.Drain back to HW status, or else it is unplayable in current solo que healer meta.

[ssunny2008]

Same boat, I refuse to run anything on DRK anymore because healers are so focused on AFKing. The way PLD and WAR are, Make Healers WORSE. I'm straight up kiting mobs with sprint an my healer is casting holy 3, and instead of healing they move and start casting holy 3 AGIAN! Drk needs to be given A.Drain back to HW status, or else it is unplayable in current solo que healer meta.

So Tanks need to be even more broken, because healer suck or watch Netflix nearby? Doesn´t make sense.

EDIT: Just had a WAR dieing to a healer watching glam. So yeah... players at their best, can´t even survive as WAR and he was battlementor.

[NeoDivinity]

not a DRK issue, just bad tanks, the amount of times my FC mamber complain when they get a stupid tank, today they got PLD that managed to die on the lvl 83 dungeon, of course because of bad cd management, specially when most of the tanks dont even know how useful Reprisal and Arms lenght are for big pulls.

It's fine to take lots of damage, but its not enjoyable when you realize that the tank isnt even trying to mitigate properly, feels like it wants to be carried, so i get the healer frustration


But lets be honest, dungeons are a brained content, you just smash you head agains the keyboard AoEing as fast as you can, so cmon, wanting to have something extra do to on dungeons roulettes is kinda weird

[ThorneDynasty]

Here is what I noticed leveling both PLD and DRK:
- DRK has lower sustain than PLD.
- If the party DPS is bad, don't do large pulls on DRK. You'll make your healer suffer.

I've wiped a couple of times on DRK because both me and the healer run out of CDs while we have like 4+ mobs alive. The DPS keeps running ahead asking for bigger pulls. Nope, not happening, not with your low DPS. The healer thought I was misusing my CDs, I wasn't.

Meanwhile I'm running into big pulls as PLD like an idiot when the other DPS is getting the door and not even notice until it's over. I did feel it was going slower than usual before I saw that we only had a Dancer, but otherwise it was just business as usual.

[Zordrage]

So Tanks need to be even more broken, because healer suck or watch Netflix nearby? Doesn´t make sense.

We are talking about DRK here not the other actually good Tank jobs.

We are at a point where healers starting to outright don't like playing with DRKs and this will just get worse if devs don't do something.

[HyoMinPark]

We are talking about DRK here not the other actually good Tank jobs.

We are at a point where healers starting to outright don't like playing with DRKs and this will just get worse if devs don't do something.

I mean, the only thing I dislike about DRK as a healer main is that Living Dead is a crap invuln that has needed to be changed for a very long time. It’s not great, and it really doesn’t help that DRK has no way of healing itself in a meaningful way that could help save it from it’s own immunity. It’s ridiculous that 3 out of 4 of the healers have to burn so many resources to save a DRK from Walking Dead. And I still have PTSD from pre-buff ShB AST where they literally could not heal LD because their potencies were so low and a tank’s HP after level 78 was so high.

Other than that, I don’t have any issues healing a good DRK.

[Shurrikhan]

But lets be honest, dungeons are a brained content, you just smash you head agains the keyboard AoEing as fast as you can, so cmon, wanting to have something extra do to on dungeons roulettes is kinda weird

"There's so little of consequence to do in dungeons that they're painfully boring. It's weird that people want more to do in dungeons."

???

I'll agree that the majority of problematic DRKs in dungeons would have been problematic on nearly any other tank job as well (i.e., that such problems don't stem primarily from DRK's kit), but that last bit of yours makes little sense.