So this started happening.

[ssunny2008]

Seems to be a huge uptick in tanks that won't mitigate after the influx of players from that other company's game. Ya'll know the company. Rhymes with lizard.

There always have been crappy tanks in this game. Imo i see more newcomers who seem to be used to MMORPG´s than returners / standard players who don´t know what to do on any class. There are even more than enough mentors (or who has been mentors in Shb) not knowing anything and avoiding big pulls, leaving in mentorroulette etc... even the most ppl stand still and have the opinion that kiting doesn´t help, which is definately not true too. (If you do it correctly you get like 25-50% less damage and the healer can DPS way more in big pulls.)

[Windwalker]

Just be happy someone actually tanks, everyone is playing dps or healer at the moment, tanks are rare and few. I had healers complain and leave when i pulled huge stacks of mobs, not that it matters, if they can't take it they can leave, another healer will take their place in a few seconds.

[Shurrikhan]

Healers want something to do besides 111111. They finally get to heal and they leave instantly. Understandable

To be fair, that may have less to do with it being a DRK than a, well, bad DRK. I've gotten through full pulls with my healer d/ced at the start off just Abyssal, TBNs, my miti CDs, and a couple of healing potions. There's none of Bloodwhetting's god mode, but it is doable. And yet I'll consistently run into DRKs who pop nothing after their first TBN... which they timed precisely for the WHM's Holy spam.

I'm thoroughly convinced Bloodwhetting is.....well....broken .

Well, yeah. Being able to full-heal oneself in trash pulls every GCD for 8 seconds acts as basically a Hollowed Ground on a 25-second CD.

It should just go back to being a percent of damage dealt, and likely for a lower duration. Then at least its ST contribution wouldn't feel so pathetic by comparison and it'd feel more fun to optimize. Given Raw Intuition's strength already, just adding on the self-shield (perhaps at slightly higher potency) would be fine, honestly.

[Maxilor]

I can add my voice to the chorus here and give my experience as a SGE Main when I say that DRKs really need some love.

The difference between healing a WAR/PLD vs. a DRK is literally Night and Day it's really concerning.

As people get better gear and get more comfortable maybe this will change, but right now it's definitely noticeable.

[NyneSwordz]

Never seen this happen

[Shalan]

Seems to be a huge uptick in tanks that won't mitigate after the influx of players from that other company's game. Ya'll know the company. Rhymes with lizard.

There's always been a startlingly large amount of tanks in this game that wont mitigate or outright refuse to do so when asked. Just like there's a large number of DPS who won't AoE, or healers who won't DPS.
Not everything bad is the fault of WoW players, it's honestly getting really tiring of seeing this train of thought on the forums.

[Shurrikhan]

Seems to be a huge uptick in tanks that won't mitigate after the influx of players from that other company's game. Ya'll know the company. Rhymes with lizard.

Because the game that'd actually make large pulls unmanageable without mitigation, even under full spam heals, and frequently requires outright kiting and CC at higher tiers of dungeon play... is the one that'd train its players to not bother mitigating?

[Yeol]

Here is what I noticed leveling both PLD and DRK:
- DRK has lower sustain than PLD.
- If the party DPS is bad, don't do large pulls on DRK. You'll make your healer suffer.

I've wiped a couple of times on DRK because both me and the healer run out of CDs while we have like 4+ mobs alive. The DPS keeps running ahead asking for bigger pulls. Nope, not happening, not with your low DPS. The healer thought I was misusing my CDs, I wasn't.

[HyoMinPark]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

This has been my experience with EW so far. You either have god-tier tank that I barely have to even pay attention to, or paper tank that I’m blowing all my resources on. It hasn’t been an exclusive thing for any tank for me—though I do tend to get a lot of squishy GNBs, but they’re also not using their defensives. And that screams “I’m a DPS main that wanted a tank queue and I have no idea what Rampart does”. At least to me.

Now I did have a WAR in Expert that I had to babysit… That was concerning. Like, dude. You’re a WARRIOR. Why am I having to baby you?

Only thing with DRK is: If you use living dead and healer is a SGE, they're probably better off letting you die and res rather than blow all their countdowns to (hopefully) save you.

Yeah, pretty much. SGE can heal it but it requires an enormous amount of resources that it’s a better use of them to just raise the tank after Walking Dead falls off. Costs less.

[rewd]

I'd rather get a good DRK than a bad non-DRK tank. Every time I get a WAR in roulette that I actually have to heal, I die a little inside.