So this started happening.

[Oextra]

I'm thoroughly convinced Bloodwhetting is.....well....broken .

*dodges objects thrown at him*

I think it's kind of nutty that when I pull 8-10 mobs together....Pop Bloodwhetting at 50%....and Inner Release my way to God Mode. It kind of feels like I cheated myself from 80-90 with warrior being my alternate to first 90. I don't think I died once on my warrior from 80-90. I was soloing fates, Last man standing in dungeons and soloing bosses, alive with a DPS for a 2v1 boss fight with nascent flash/glint. One starts to wonder why the skill is....this good?

Unless i'm OTing.....Bloodwhetting is ALWAYS on cooldown. It's to good not to be. If i'm OTing....Nascent is ALWAYS on cooldown. And I have had other tanks say that Nascent is insane HP. Sometimes in the 7-8k crits.

Healing warriors has got to be the most BORING part of a healers job now. I even tell the WHM to save there benediction for a DPS now. I have that much confidence in WAR now. When I level my AST I'm sure I'll feel the exact same way, but at least I know that WAR's will be the ones I don't have to watch hardly.

NF (now BW) always made you a god in a pack of mobs. I'm confused why everyone is now talking about its healing when it's more or less the same. What really makes it good i is the mitigation and shield, and the fact that you don't have to use it with IR, CC, and/or IC for big heals.

[Annihilism]

When I'm on WAR or PLD I rarely need a healer in 81-90 dungeons, they are there just to be my cheerleaders. I need some healer maintenance on GNB but nothing serious, DRK on the other hand...
If you honestly think that DRKs current kit in regards to mitigation and sustain is equal to the other tanks in dungeons, you are delusional and need to lay off the copium.

Leveling WAR, PLD, and GNB in the new dungeons has been the most fun I've had on leveling tanks in any expac, meanwhile DRK was a complete nightmare. It has nothing to do with player skill, how can a formula 1 racer compete if instead of their vehicle they have to race in a go cart? DRKs that don't recognize the issues with their job either afk too much in limsa or are being carried by very patient people.

I main healers, especially SGE, and I love the challenge of healing a DRK but I will not think less of other healers that don't wan to deal with that mess.

[GarretStrongstaf]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

THIS ^^ Has been my experience the last week or two in Expert Roulette. I always gently suggest tips to newer tanks who insist on pulling big and all but disintegrate for not mitigating sustainably. Some get defensive or tell me that "I didn't heal them once," even though I am throwing my entire kit at them. None of the wall to wall pulls in the content we have now requires a GCD heal for a tank to survive if they are mitigating even semi-optimally. If a healer is spamming a GCD heal just to keep a tank from death, thats usually (but not always) a mitigation issue, which is on the tank, not the healer. This may sound harsh, but if a player doesn't enjoy to figuring out ways to take as little damage as possible, the tank role may not be for them <3

[MagiusNecros]

RDM is now the best healer.

You spelled Warrior wrong.

[Hysterior]

saw it 4 times in the past 2-3 hours.

Sure...
(If this is true, just change server... Frankly.)

There should be no issue healing any of the tanks.
Only thing with DRK is: If you use living dead and healer is a SGE, they're probably better off letting you die and res rather than blow all their countdowns to (hopefully) save you.

[ssunny2008]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

This is 100% a thing!

[Shuuli]

When I'm on WAR or PLD I rarely need a healer in 81-90 dungeons, they are there just to be my cheerleaders. I need some healer maintenance on GNB but nothing serious, DRK on the other hand...
If you honestly think that DRKs current kit in regards to mitigation and sustain is equal to the other tanks in dungeons, you are delusional and need to lay off the copium.

Leveling WAR, PLD, and GNB in the new dungeons has been the most fun I've had on leveling tanks in any expac, meanwhile DRK was a complete nightmare. It has nothing to do with player skill, how can a formula 1 racer compete if instead of their vehicle they have to race in a go cart? DRKs that don't recognize the issues with their job either afk too much in limsa or are being carried by very patient people.

I main healers, especially SGE, and I love the challenge of healing a DRK but I will not think less of other healers that don't wan to deal with that mess.

I can 100% tell you that as a healer I favor warriors over anything else cause I can then dps as well and we go through the dungeon much faster.

But also as someone else said, there are people who just don't know how to mitigate well and I have seen warriors disappearing like nothing.

From game to game it can be a high contrast if I get 3 recommendation for healing well or get shit-talked by a random dps (yes, i usually see dps flaming more than the actual tank) for not being able to keep the tank alive that pulls wall to wall and then forgets to mitigate...

I learned to pop literally everything as a scholar. Even to retreat to spamming adlo even with switfcast when all else is on CD and that is my final hope. Usually it works but my heart just cannot. I feel like imma gonna have a heart attack in some dungeon runs.

[ssunny2008]

Just played the Gulg as DRK with randoms 5 minutes ago. The healer was a new SGE on level 79 instead of 80.

A DPS left immediately... guess why? Because it´s a trashy Shadowbringer dungeon, not because i played DRK. I´ve pulled the hell out of this dungeon as i do with any tank ALWAYS! I did a full pull with all 5 packs to the first boss and i did the last pull with 4 pack before the endboss. My life never dropped below 25% and i never used my invul.
I´ve done the same stuff before in Shb mostly without any issues. I remember only 1 time dieing as PLD, which might have been a healer issue since i do the same shit over and over again.

DRK is as good as other tanks if not even superior in its own way thx to BLN. Ppl need to stop to judge about things they´ve no clue about and should keep in mind that the most players in this game are not good at all.

[Xiaoki]

I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.

I've stopped leveling healing jobs because of this.

More often than not I've been getting tanks that are not tanks.

The last couple dungeons I did was a Gunbreaker that would not use defensive cooldowns and a Paladin that would not use defensive cooldowns. They used their attack cooldown every time but they would pull 10 mobs and not use 1 defensive cooldown.

It's a nightmare healing these tanks.

[Absimiliard]

Seems to be a huge uptick in tanks that won't mitigate after the influx of players from that other company's game. Ya'll know the company. Rhymes with lizard.