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    Zordrage's Avatar
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    Zordiark Darkeater
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    Omega
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    Dark Knight Lv 90

    So this started happening.

    It started today that i noticed that some Healers Leave from lvl70-80-90 dungeons either instantly when we get in or after the 1st or 2nd pull or after 1st boss if the Tank is a DRK.

    saw it 4 times in the past 2-3 hours.

    2 times i was the DRK both times they were struggling to heal me while they were pulling everything on me even with def CDs on lol

    the other 2 times was when i was leveling my Reaper and it looked like the exact same thing was happening.

    1st time im seeing this in this game after 400+ hours...
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    Thaydan Dawnbringer
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    Lich
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    Summoner Lv 90
    Healers want something to do besides 111111. They finally get to heal and they leave instantly. Understandable
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    Legion88's Avatar
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    Baradaeg Ryssbhirwyn
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    Lich
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    Warrior Lv 80
    I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
    The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
    The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
    This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
    The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
    Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
    A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

    Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.
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    Last edited by Legion88; 12-17-2021 at 06:27 PM.

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    JOsha's Avatar
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    Ura Kuze
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    Lich
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    Paladin Lv 90
    God, that sound awful. Why do such people even queue..They should increase the penalty for such stuff..
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    Keagian Lowell
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    Cactuar
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    Gunbreaker Lv 100
    It does suck but sometimes its the only way to get the Dev's attention and apply fixes to the job.
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    Hiragawa's Avatar
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    Quin'ra Polaani
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    Cactuar
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    Reaper Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Legion88 View Post
    I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
    The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
    The other type of tank is like made out paper.
    This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
    The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
    Then there is the other type of tank and remind you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
    A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

    Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.
    ^ This. When healing, you either get a tank (like Legion said, of any class) that is so bloody sturdy all you're doing is spamming your aoe attack as a healer, or you get a tank (again, any class) that is cut in half by a soft breeze. There is no in between. You're either falling asleep while healing, or working overtime to keep people alive.

    Buuuuuut I've also had a slew of "Holy crap, you're actually a good Sage." comments recently, so I'm gonna say it's not *just* on the tank side of things. I'd imagine that you're just getting healers that aren't the best and have been hearing that DRK can't solo the world like a Warrior can. So they see your health drop and panic out of the dungeon.
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    Kalaam Nozalys
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    Phantom
    Main Class
    Red Mage Lv 90
    RDM is now the best healer.
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    Lythia Norvaine
    World
    Gilgamesh
    Main Class
    Viper Lv 100
    I haven't encountered anything of the sort. Regardless of how you rotate your cooldowns, the deciding factor in how well you do is how quickly the mobs die. DRK in particular requires you to play a bit more proactively, as you have less room for recovery if you get into trouble outside of your one Abyssal Drain use per minute. But it helps if you think of every pull having a timer attached, and if you take too long you will run out of defensive resources. This is how you contribute to a clean run regardless of what your role is.

    I do like the fact that they've made DRK and GNB less beginner friendly and more aggressive. Last expansion's homogenization was necessary, but it's time we moved past that.
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    Sqwall Lionheart
    World
    Diabolos
    Main Class
    Warrior Lv 100
    I'm thoroughly convinced Bloodwhetting is.....well....broken .

    *dodges objects thrown at him*

    I think it's kind of nutty that when I pull 8-10 mobs together....Pop Bloodwhetting at 50%....and Inner Release my way to God Mode. It kind of feels like I cheated myself from 80-90 with warrior being my alternate to first 90. I don't think I died once on my warrior from 80-90. I was soloing fates, Last man standing in dungeons and soloing bosses, alive with a DPS for a 2v1 boss fight with nascent flash/glint. One starts to wonder why the skill is....this good?

    Unless i'm OTing.....Bloodwhetting is ALWAYS on cooldown. It's to good not to be. If i'm OTing....Nascent is ALWAYS on cooldown. And I have had other tanks say that Nascent is insane HP. Sometimes in the 7-8k crits.

    Healing warriors has got to be the most BORING part of a healers job now. I even tell the WHM to save there benediction for a DPS now. I have that much confidence in WAR now. When I level my AST I'm sure I'll feel the exact same way, but at least I know that WAR's will be the ones I don't have to watch hardly.
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    ArthurATDayne's Avatar
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    Arthur-at Dayne
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    Excalibur
    Main Class
    Dark Knight Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Legion88 View Post
    I don't know what you are talking, about but from my experience leveling Sage right now you have two types of tanks, yeah tanks, because it doesn't matter if DRK, GNB, PLD or WAR.
    The first type is unkillable and doesn't seem to drop in HP at all.
    The other type of tank is like made out of paper.
    This is not a difference in their toolkit but the differece in player skill.
    The first type is a god in using their mitigation and selfsustain and you can keep them up almost indefinitively just with Kardia DPS and a few oGCD heals now and then, even in big pulls. And you as a healer start asking yourself the important things in life, like am I needed at all and wouldn't it be better if I were a third DPS instead of a healer?
    Then there is the other type of tank and reminds you of the hard reality. They leave holes in their mitigation uptime, use their mitigation randomly or not at all and taking huge unmitigated damage spikes in between their cooldowns if they use their cooldowns at all.
    A good tanks makes the healer feel useless or happy to dps, while a bad tank makes the healer question themself about their choices in life and why they deserve this.

    Now couple this with the prejudice of "DRK has no selfsustain" and many returning players that are not as good at their jobs as they think they are and healers less motivated with dealing with type 2 tanks will start avoiding them.
    This. You've said what I was thinking nicely.

    And I also haven't seen any healers jumping ship while on DRK.
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