Endwalker was "meh" (for reasons other than technical issues)

[RyuDragnier]

They do contradict lore though. In the past the devs themselves stated lb’s were aether based, it even says it in the EE. Now they’re apparently dynamis? It’s just a way for them to hand wave plot armor and plot devices lol

The EE is a collection of information written by individuals in-universe, meaning any knowledge they do not have is reflected in the EE. Dynamis, or should I say akasa, is something nobody had any concrete proof existed until now, as everything prior to this was just treated and assumed to being the work of aether.

Also, because we don't know the exact mixture of dynamis and aether, this is not a contradiction. You're creating a giant meteor out of aether, that does not change if dynamis is added to the equation. You used a ninjutsu to summon all these blades and fire them into your opponent, that does not change with dynamis added. You released an excess amount of elemental aether to heal and revive your allies, this does not change with dynamis. All dynamis serves as is the equivalent of a force acting as an extra push upon it, strengthening it or making it easier to perform it.

[BrokentoothMarch]

The EE is a collection of information written by individuals in-universe, meaning any knowledge they do not have is reflected in the EE. Dynamis, or should I say akasa, is something nobody had any concrete proof existed until now, as everything prior to this was just treated and assumed to being the work of aether.

Also, because we don't know the exact mixture of dynamis and aether, this is not a contradiction. You're creating a giant meteor out of aether, that does not change if dynamis is added to the equation. You used a ninjutsu to summon all these blades and fire them into your opponent, that does not change with dynamis added. You released an excess amount of elemental aether to heal and revive your allies, this does not change with dynamis. All dynamis serves as is the equivalent of a force acting as an extra push upon it, strengthening it or making it easier to perform it.

But while we know LBs are aether based, we know nothing as to whether dynamis is added nor how much dynamis can replace aether. Whether it can replace aether at all. Whether it can be all-dynamis or all-aether and the ramifications of either one. Essentially, your case is both speculative and is a show of someone trying to make excuses for a device that has little reason to exist and was presented poorly, adding to this confusion to begin with. I'm sure they'll go back and say "There's TOTALLY dynamis in LB now, trust", but we can't pretend like that doesn't add to the contrived nature.

Using your logic, I can say LB's also rely on the power provided by invisible extra-dimensional pink elephants with psychic abilities. You wouldn't be able to deny me, as I can state that the EE had no knowledge thereof, so clearly I have a case that cannot be discounted despite how outrageously ridiculous the notion may be. This is why I'm averse to the idea even with these trace avenues of justification because even they will fail to adequately represent something we should have had at least an inkling about long ago.

This was just poor writing, plain and simple. Given the great work we've received before, I'm disappointed we've resorted to the literary equivalent of "ive got a special gun that none of the other kids can protect against because its super omega sekrit and pourfull" on the playground.

[RyuDragnier]

But while we know LBs are aether based, we know nothing as to whether dynamis is added nor how much dynamis can replace aether. Whether it can replace aether at all. Whether it can be all-dynamis or all-aether and the ramifications of either one. Essentially, your case is both speculative and is a show of someone trying to make excuses for a device that has little reason to exist and was presented poorly, adding to this confusion to begin with. I'm sure they'll go back and say "There's TOTALLY dynamis in LB now, trust", but we can't pretend like that doesn't add to the contrived nature.

Using your logic, I can say LB's also rely on the power provided by invisible extra-dimensional pink elephants with psychic abilities. You wouldn't be able to deny me, as I can state that the EE had no knowledge thereof, so clearly I have a case that cannot be discounted despite how outrageously ridiculous the notion may be. This is why I'm averse to the idea even with these trace avenues of justification because even they will fail to adequately represent something we should have had at least an inkling about long ago.

This was just poor writing, plain and simple. Given the great work we've received before, I'm disappointed we've resorted to the literary equivalent of "ive got a special gun that none of the other kids can protect against because its super omega sekrit and pourfull" on the playground.

Here's the thing, science does this ALL THE TIME. It builds a hypothesis, it's proven wrong or right. If wrong, it's adjusted, continue until proven right. We learned about Akasa from a researcher, aka a scientist. We learned about Dynamis from a researcher, aka a scientist. We had confirmation of its existence when suddenly things started appearing from nothing, and returned into nothing, something that should not have been possible from what we know about aether. Y'shtola herself noted that there was 0 aether at the spots that the Terminus were at. This confirms the existence of something other than aether powering them, because they wouldn't be able to react with the world otherwise. We then go to the past a while later and find out it's called Dynamis. We've already seen PROOF that it exists because something that shouldn't exist DID exist.

We literally fly to the end of the universe, the Loporrits themselves mentioning that there's nothing there. Meteion appears, messes with our heads, Thancred proceeds to strike at her and we black out. We wake up at the same location, with suddenly things being there when there wasn't before. We have LITERALLY seen impossible things, and you're trying to give an excuse for why it is impossible for LBs to have dynamis in them, despite all this?

[BrokentoothMarch]

Here's the thing, science does this ALL THE TIME. It builds a hypothesis, it's proven wrong or right. If wrong, it's adjusted, continue until proven right. We learned about Akasa from a researcher, aka a scientist. We learned about Dynamis from a researcher, aka a scientist. We had confirmation of its existence when suddenly things started appearing from nothing, and returned into nothing, something that should not have been possible from what we know about aether. Y'shtola herself noted that there was 0 aether at the spots that the Terminus were at. This confirms the existence of something other than aether powering them, because they wouldn't be able to react with the world otherwise. We then go to the past a while later and find out it's called Dynamis. We've already seen PROOF that it exists because something that shouldn't exist DID exist.

We literally fly to the end of the universe, the Loporrits themselves mentioning that there's nothing there. Meteion appears, messes with our heads, Thancred proceeds to strike at her and we black out. We wake up at the same location, with suddenly things being there when there wasn't before. We have LITERALLY seen impossible things, and you're trying to give an excuse for why it is impossible for LBs to have dynamis in them, despite all this?

At this point, you're just providing meager justifications. "Science does this all the time." Yeah, I remember when electricity was discovered, harnessed, and used in a single decade. That was a wild right, am I right? Hypothesis' by their nature have immense trial and error. However, as with everything in this story, we discover it just in time and understand it just in time and diffuse it just in time and learn to use it just in time against the ultimate incarnation of this element. Just. In. Time.

Are you seeing the problem?

I'll also note that you failed to tackle how multiple worlds failed to have enough hope to live or some other shenanigan that powers Dynamis, but 8 brats and a few stab-happy hobos can kill the manifestation of sorrow with it. Please do not cherry-pick arguments. There's a whole hog and if you touch it, you have to eat the whole thing.

The justification of "impossible things have happened before so they can happen again" doesn't really track when impossibility is... impossible. If impossible things do indeed occur regularly, that is known as either poor writing or a deus ex machina. Which, by now, I admit is becoming something of a regular thing lately in FFXIV. That, however, does not make it good.

I feel like the people saying Endwalker's story is dumb and makes no sense are the same people who only pay attention to voiced cutscenes and skip everything else and still think they have a good grasp on the story/lore.

Also, I've seen a lot of bad takes but "Endwalker is the Indiana Jones and the Crystal Skulls of FFXIV" takes the cake for me.

And another strawman. Because, obviously, it's impossible that this story has flaws and people don't like it, right? We clearly weren't paying attention? God, you people will just NOT stop with this. FFXIV, and subsequently, Endwalker is not a creation crafted by the actual literal divine. There are problems with it. It infuriates me how the only argument you can muster is "haha u ppl just not pay attention". Like, really? Your best argument is just making up ghosts about the other side? How compelling.

At least be like Hayk. While I clearly don't agree at all with his notions, he's clearly attempting to explain why this works in his perspective. There's an exchange of ideas, even if we may not like the ideas or judgments the other has made. You simply waltzed in here, said that everyone who doesn't like what you like is stupid, then walked out.