Endwalker was a great mess(SPOILERS)

[FusiaRain]

Yes, dilly dallying and wasting time trying to put bandaids on issues that wouldn't be possible to resolve that way would really have been the intelligent path rather than actually trying to fix the problem. You guys complain about padding and filler, and then you complain there isn't enough(and when it makes no rational sense to boot!). I don't get it.



That's all.. like.. explained in the dialogue? There's no inconsistency. You can't /tell/ someone they've done something before they do it or they aren't going to do it the way that they did it to begin with.

Wanting some big threats and to AT THE VERY LEAST SHOW THE ENTIRE WORLD burning during the final day isn't about filler.

This expansion was based around the end of the days..

THERE WAS NO END OF DAYS THREAT EXPECT 1 HOUR WORTH that is beyond rushed

AMON/FANDANIL did almost nothing at all story related expect throw himself into zodiarks tummy

and zenos DID PURELY NOTHIng EXPECT CRY in a cornor and go help you with a fight scene that just made it game over for him

filler is fine when it makes sense for the overall theme also I have no issue with filler but throwing in stupid jokes when the world is ending to waste time and doing nothing (not even filler) related with the final days or you know THE OTHER ZIGGERUTS ACROSS THE WORLD! IS JUST BAD

[van_arn]

Wanting some big threats and to AT THE VERY LEAST SHOW THE ENTIRE WORLD burning during the final day isn't about filler.

This expansion was based around the end of the days..

THERE WAS NO END OF DAYS THREAT EXPECT 1 HOUR WORTH that is beyond rushed

filler is fine when it makes sense for the overall theme also I have no issue with filler but throwing in stupid jokes when the world is ending to waste time and doing nothing (not even filler) related with the final days or you know THE OTHER ZIGGERUTS ACROSS THE WORLD! IS JUST BAD

I absolutely love the red herring of the towers. I was certain we were going to go from zone to zone, blowing up towers, as a retread of Lightwardens and Stormblood regions. That they did *not* do that is an excellent change of pace, and a perfect play on our expectations after the 5.4 and 5.5 storyline.

They subverted those expectations again with the Elpis color scenes, too.

[Anatha]

Wanting some big threats and to AT THE VERY LEAST SHOW THE ENTIRE WORLD burning during the final day isn't about filler.

This expansion was based around the end of the days..

THERE WAS NO END OF DAYS THREAT EXPECT 1 HOUR WORTH that is beyond rushed

AMON/FANDANIL did almost nothing at all story related expect throw himself into zodiarks tummy

and zenos DID PURELY NOTHIng EXPECT CRY in a cornor and go help you with a fight scene that just made it game over for him

filler is fine when it makes sense for the overall theme also I have no issue with filler but throwing in stupid jokes when the world is ending to waste time and doing nothing (not even filler) related with the final days or you know THE OTHER ZIGGERUTS ACROSS THE WORLD! IS JUST BAD

End of the world is a pretty big threat, dude, and perhaps you didn't think of this, but if the entire world had started to burn, that would have been it. No way back, no way to save it. Game Over.

[Darkstride]

THERE WAS NO END OF DAYS THREAT EXPECT 1 HOUR WORTH that is beyond rushed

AMON/FANDANIL did almost nothing at all story related expect throw himself into zodiarks tummy

and zenos DID PURELY NOTHIng EXPECT CRY in a cornor and go help you with a fight scene that just made it game over for him

If you insist on using all caps to get your point across (because everyone knows that's the best way to be taken seriously), could you at least attempt spell check and punctuation?

[FusiaRain]

End of the world is a pretty big threat, dude, and perhaps you didn't think of this, but if the entire world had started to burn, that would have been it. No way back, no way to save it. Game Over.

was it no major character died during the scene, nothing destoryed and even what was was so limited to a single zone. There was no sense that it was a threat other than if people cry are scream or feel angery they turn into voidsent (Which was hardly any where IN THE ENTIRE GAME) they weren't even in the ultima thul lol so honestly it wasn't

It was a huge joke lol


and even their letter from the producer basically LIED when they said a price had to be paid EVERYONE IS STILL PERFECTLY FINE LOL

Legitly the only deaths was amon being thrown into zodiarks tummy and zenos going all emo fight with us.. .everyone and everything else was perfectly safe...

and to frank we shouldn't have been able to save it as quickly as we did

[KageTokage]

I was kind of expecting the towers to be a red herring just from the known zones prior to Endwalker's release. The only thing that really threw me off plot-wise was Elpis literally being in the past as opposed to a miraculously intact relic of the pre-sundering world, as I was already anticipating some manner of eldritch landscape for the final zone given the clips of the Dead Ends that were present in the launch trailer.

We also still haven't really grasped the full extent of the harm the Final Days caused and it wouldn't surprise me if some of the side content in 6.x is devoted to cleaning up the aftermath, as some places like Corvos were noted as being struck badly, but the Scions and the alliance could only do so much damage control. Assuming we get another Eureka-like field zone I fully expect that region to be the subject of it, moreso with its status as an imperial province making it ripe for the conditions that would've spawned blasphemies even without burning skies to incite panic in the populace.

[Velnora]

I hate when people make a fuss about the time-travel in this expansion and how "it doesn't make sense".

Yet when Interstellar does the exact same thing, everyone loses their fucking minds, and thinks it's the greatest movie of all time.

AND I DIDN'T EVEN LIKE INTERSTELLAR!

Do yourself a favor, watch the following movies:
-Interstellar
-Deja Vu
-Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban (yes, really)

Then you'll be able to answer this question:

Interstellar was based on theoretical science. And, not even time travel.

[Velnora]

To me, ShB was Infinity War, while Endwalker was Endgame. The former being a much more tightly nit story, while the latter being this sort of messy, grand conclusion.

[GALynx]

This reveal is giving me a headache. I want to wonder what caused Graha Tia's timeline to happen. Like Shadowbringers made it appear it was the original timeline. But it's not now, which means something clearly happened to prevent us to meet past Venat, which would prevent her from making us her champion in that timeline. But seeing how that timeline went unhindered, that must mean we have went into a different past and told Venat, but that is not the case cause that event impacted our timeline to prevent it from diverging.

[KageTokage]

This reveal is giving me a headache. I want to wonder what caused Graha Tia's timeline to happen. Like Shadowbringers made it appear it was the original timeline. But it's not now, which means something clearly happened to prevent us to meet past Venat, which would prevent her from making us her champion in that timeline. But seeing how that timeline went unhindered, that must mean we have went into a different past and told Venat, but that is not the case cause that event impacted our timeline to prevent it from diverging.

The only thing I've taken away from time travel plots in media overall is "don't think about it too hard".

Time being a closed circle where any changes break off into alternate timelines while retaining only one "true" timeline like in XIV is probably the most sound method of incorporating the concept into a story but even that starts getting convoluted when you're dealing with multiple instances of time travel.

I do think would be interesting if one of the obligatory side stories for Endwalker perhaps explores what the fate of the unsundered world would've been in the original unaltered timeline; even if they just end up showing that the world would've indeed eventually died off had the Sundering not happened.