My humble take on new SMN

[aveyond-dreams]

Imagine being so entrenched in 1 singular game that you cannot conceive of the notion that Necromancers, Warlocks, and other dark mages are the ones who are commonly associated with poisons and curses. This isn't rocket science, but I guess around here it must come across as a shocking revelation! It is common knowledge that the original Summoner we got in this game was built off a mishmash of WoW's warlock and several spells stolen from 1.0 Thaumaturge. And the result was a job that failed to deliver mechanically and in terms of its actual class fantasy.

We get it, you're mad about no more poison mage (and pre-Shb Machinist apparently, which is more than enough to send a shiver up my spine) and you won't be quiet till you get one. That's fantastic, but as it stands now I'd much rather resources go into another limited job instead because that crowd isn't nearly as demeaning or prone to months-long tantrums as the "victims" of the supposed Summoner rework are. 8 years is a great run, don't you think? Certainly longer than anyone could possibly conceive of given the state of the job. But alas, it is time to smile brightly once more and move on. You can choose to continue providing me entertainment if you want, seeing as how I'll voice opposition to any and all attempts to steer the job back to themes and mechanics that have failed in such spectacular fashion. That crowd even had an extra 2 weeks to make their peace with the job. What more could one wish for?

Furthermore, I have to point out that Paladins=Holy Knights. The job is literally called "Knight" in japanese. Holy sword attacks aren't a stretch at all when it comes to that job. Sage in this game is certainly a departure from anything we've seen in the entire series-and yet people love it because the class actually does cool things and has wonderful controls. It is absolutely possible to be "unique" and good but old summoner was neither of those things. A copy pasted class lifted from another game and given a title that it absolutely didn't deserve until recently. To the surprise of absolutely no one outside the affliction warlock echo chamber, it didn't go down so well at all.

I'm not interested in whether you like me or not. I care about whether the fact the class that I like is actually decent, which as of now it is leagues better than it used to be. Some things could improve, definitely. But they will not improve for the better if we start taking in feedback from a certain crowd that would rather play with poison magic as opposed to actual summons.

[CKNovel]

Imagine being so entrenched in 1 singular game that you cannot conceive of the notion that Necromancers, Warlocks, and other dark mages are the ones who are commonly associated with poisons and curses.

Necromancer is supposed to raise the dead and make them fight. That's the case in many games and board games, poisons is never their core.

Reading is important.
Poison is one of their many tools like Earth magic is one of many of RDM's tools at their disposal.

It's not about liking you or not.
It's about your poor choice of arguments and agressive vocabulary.
Also the MCH remark is out of topic and a personnal attack, even after all my posts you don't even know why I'm criticizing MCH...

Can we get back to the main topic before you change its course again to distract everyone?