*Spoilers* Anyone feel joining Emet would have been better

[Alleo]

Any creatures remain concepts until Hythlodaeus passes them for 'general use'; before that, no souls. They still die, of course, if they're 'discontinued' but the Ancients seem to collectively see this not as death but as a change of form; they go back to aether and get used again in some other concept

In the german version Hermes says that the difference between such beings is the soul but that the Ancients cant create one thus its bascially RNG if a creation gets one.

And even though we do have a soul (even if its sundered) Hythlo and Emet still called us an It for quite some time at the beginning and most Ancients there did see us as just an familiar. Basically if you are not a born Ancient you are in some ways bellow them.

So I can fully see that they would still "kill" a concept even if it had a soul.

[Garnetiferous]

In the german version Hermes says that the difference between such beings is the soul but that the Ancients cant create one thus its bascially RNG if a creation gets one.

And even though we do have a soul (even if its sundered) Hythlo and Emet still called us an It for quite some time at the beginning and most Ancients there did see us as just an familiar. Basically if you are not a born Ancient you are in some ways bellow them.

So I can fully see that they would still "kill" a concept even if it had a soul.

They're saying that because they've literally never seen something like you before in their lives so they used the evidence in front of them to make a determination as to what you were. They say you're a familiar because you fit all the descriptions of being a familiar. It's no different than if you saw an animal that looked like a housecat and assumed it was a housecat. They're not looking down on you, most of the ancients in the zone treat you just fine (with a few exceptions but lets not forget that people in the modern world sometimes treat you like shit as well and you're their literal savior.) And also, your character is literally telling them in certain quests that you're "Azem's familiar" so you can't blame them for going with what you literally told them.

There's a tales from the shadows that explains the soul thing more, basically a creation that falls inline with the laws of nature can get a soul. So if the ancients want something to have a soul, they try and create something that works with those laws.

[YianKutku]

In the german version Hermes says that the difference between such beings is the soul but that the Ancients cant create one thus its bascially RNG if a creation gets one.

And even though we do have a soul (even if its sundered) Hythlo and Emet still called us an It for quite some time at the beginning and most Ancients there did see us as just an familiar. Basically if you are not a born Ancient you are in some ways bellow them.

So I can fully see that they would still "kill" a concept even if it had a soul.

We also ask if Meteion has a soul, and Hermes's response is "don't know, don't care" (in a positive way, in that he would treasure her regardless), while the Convocation as represented by Emet-Selch is willing to detain and interrogate Meteion without checking if she has a soul.

So my read is that the presence of a soul is not a major consideration with regards to how the Amaurotines would treat a creation, except perhaps as proof that the creation is self-sustaining according to natural laws (which was the pre-requisite for getting a soul in the first place). When the proto-Phoenix in the short stories got a soul, the procedure was to delete and start over, which is consistent with what happens in Elpis. And that's not inherently morally wrong, since that's what Elpis is for, but it's evidence that the presence of a soul doesn't confer any special privileges for a given creation.

[Alleo]

We also ask if Meteion has a soul, and Hermes's response is "don't know, don't care" (in a positive way, in that he would treasure her regardless), while the Convocation as represented by Emet-Selch is willing to detain and interrogate Meteion without checking if she has a soul.

And yet Hermes still sent her sisters out into the unknown just so that he gets an answer. He is much more caring (but the side quests there show that others are caring as well) but he still creates beings for a certain purpose. To reach his goal he sents a big amount of creatures after us, that all died in a painful way , he blasts us of the arena which would have killed us without Venat saving us. Us who showed him that others can feel sad too.

He knows what the Final Days will bring, not only to mankind but all the creations.

Honestly he really felt like two different people in Elpis. I just cant feel much sympathy for the one he became at the end. (And his decision also meant that Meteion and all of her sister would have to suffer for over 12.000 years...until we come along to put an end to it.)