Will there ever be true raiding content in FF14?

[Katie_Kitty]

You don't appear to have even done any high-end content in this game, so I recommend doing that before judging the game's raids.

[Aurikai]

FFXIV doesn't have addons like DBM to hold your hand on boss mechanics, while you could use ACT plugins to me that defeats the entire purpose of raiding. The best part of FFXIV is end game raids capture difficulty and fun without requiring voice communication/high coordination unless you're doing extreme raids.

[AziraSyuren]

This is highly ironic considering Nier raids are the most piss easy alliance raids we have ever gotten.

Also LOL at people thinking synced Dun Scaith, Forgall/Ozma, or TG Cid would break OP as if those were actually hard content, even on release. The only thing anyone should suggest OP is to wait for 6.05 and try to prog Savage and clear it week 1. Then look at Dragonsong Ultimate. If you can clear these early then you can tell everyone there are no mechanics in this game's raids.

On-release Ozma and Scathach were pretty rough, and the Ivalice raids as a whole were by no means simple, at least to the playerbase at large.

[Jirah]

I’ll say this, the game does trials well and have been evolving naturally as the game ages, but I wouldn’t call them raids far from it.

The 24 man raids and dungeons are more raids thematically and the closest they got to getting the true blue said experience is Baldesion Arsenal. They can very easily sew the 4 bosses in the 8 man trials (raids but not really) into a hardy area or even just have it be only 3 and leave the final one be a traditional trial

I’m really shocked it’s been so stagnate that they’ve not done anything new with this formula, more annoyed that with Covid they have a never ending excuse for mediocrity and flatlining.

[Tsukino]

On-release Ozma and Scathach were pretty rough, and the Ivalice raids as a whole were by no means simple, at least to the playerbase at large.

The hardest alliance raids have always been considered such because of the nature of the duty finder on the NA/EU servers and requiring some level of (randomly assigned) personal responsibility. Ozma, Cid, Scylla, Hashmal, to a lesser extent Forgall - the thing these all have in common is that they pick a number of semi-random players and tell them "you do this mechanic now or everyone dies." When there are 24 people thrown together randomly, there's a chance of people who have no clue what they're doing intersecting with those chosen to do that mechanic, and then everyone dies.

More "traditional" groups of raiders that are coordinated don't have anywhere near these kinds of problems with these same bosses. They can just converse with each other to know what to do if they're chosen, and easily all be ready at the same time. All of these notorious bosses for the duty finder groups are much easier for pre-formed groups than EX trials.

[AziraSyuren]

The hardest alliance raids have always been considered such because of the nature of the duty finder on the NA/EU servers and requiring some level of (randomly assigned) personal responsibility. Ozma, Cid, Scylla, Hashmal, to a lesser extent Forgall - the thing these all have in common is that they pick a number of semi-random players and tell them "you do this mechanic now or everyone dies." When there are 24 people thrown together randomly, there's a chance of people who have no clue what they're doing intersecting with those chosen to do that mechanic, and then everyone dies.

More "traditional" groups of raiders that are coordinated don't have anywhere near these kinds of problems with these same bosses. They can just converse with each other to know what to do if they're chosen, and easily all be ready at the same time. All of these notorious bosses for the duty finder groups are much easier for pre-formed groups than EX trials.

I mean
I'm well aware?

But I'm judging DF content by how hard it was to do in DF, and the fact that Goku Johnson thinks 4+4 is a prime number is proof enough that these fights were well above their contemporaries in difficulty.

[Skiros]

I cannot say I am interested in getting WoW style raiding, this is not wow and I do get a bit exasperated at the wow players that come to ff and want to change a lot of the game to make it more like wow. WoW has failed spectacularly and I don't want ffxiv to emulate that.

Adds to manage is simple and boring, a rotation in wow is more simple than an ffxiv rotation. I think the challenge comes from pulling of mechanics perfectly and ALSO keeping that rotation perfect. Small mistakes will cause you to drift out of alignment and rip your big deeps in that case. Other interactive mechanics.. I can think of Ramuh savage where the tank has to click a thing and protect us all from instant death, but that's all those mechanics boil down to no? Click this thing and success. Pre boss trash is just a chore and in cases of repeat wipes will cause frustration.

Some have mentioned Delubrum Reginae Savage, I have cleared that content and it was certainly enjoyable! But still I would not say that is WoW style raid.. it is just a harder alliance raid. Props to the discords and organisers for setting them up, teaching and shot calling! I hope to go do Baldesian Arsenal at some point too

Not everyone who wants "Wow-styled raids" comes from WoW nor are the raids the reason why WoW has failed spectacularly.

For the record I have literally never touched WoW beyond like the first few levels and I want "WoW-style raids" whatever that means. The current raiding paradigm that we have is stale for four years now.

[Warpstone]

I'm enjoying the raids they have, I don't think they need to do anything different. At least for me, I absolutely love how they keep this game casual. That's what killed WoW for me, they gave up on the casual player and the 5 people that live in this house switched games, and we are having more fun now than we have had in the last 4 years in WoW. Keep up the awesome job, love this game.

[Kaliesto]

On-release Ozma and Scathach were pretty rough, and the Ivalice raids as a whole were by no means simple, at least to the playerbase at large.

I used to tease the newbies when we play that one Ivalice raid -

"BEWARE THE THUNDER GOD"

[Rolder50]

I agree I would love to see more variety beyond boss in square, but saying "no real mechanics, no adds to manage, no interrupts needed, no buff/debuff mechanics, no special assignments for players" is straight up just plain wrong and shows how little raiding you have actually done.