Will there ever be true raiding content in FF14?

[Taspar]

You mention about true raiding, but what would you say to the fact that a lot of WoW's Ny'alotha, the Waking City raid boss mechanics were pathetically stolen from ARR dungeon bosses? There is hard content in FFXIV as well, and I was a mythic raider in WoW, that game is easy once your group adapt the mechanics. Don't overvalue raiding, and stop trying to change FFXIV into WoW, to all of you.

[Shurrikhan]

what would you say to the fact that a lot of WoW's Ny'alotha, the Waking City raid boss mechanics were pathetically stolen from ARR dungeon bosses?

By all means, list them out and show how a donut, bait, stack, and hide-behind X mechanic, etc., must have "pathetically" come from ARR?

[NanaWiloh]

So you haven’t fought TG Cid have you? Also OG Forgall and Ozma were an issue.

Rofl Ozma..
SE: Here is a boss with simple mechanics
Players: THIS IS HARD!!!
SE: *throws hands*

[Darkobra]

They like money too much. That's not happening.

[Shurrikhan]

They like money too much. That's not happening.

8-man content outside of flat, perfectly circular or rectangular boss arenas can't happen despite player interest... because of money?

[Aelin_Ashryver]

I cannot say I am interested in getting WoW style raiding, this is not wow and I do get a bit exasperated at the wow players that come to ff and want to change a lot of the game to make it more like wow. WoW has failed spectacularly and I don't want ffxiv to emulate that.

Adds to manage is simple and boring, a rotation in wow is more simple than an ffxiv rotation. I think the challenge comes from pulling of mechanics perfectly and ALSO keeping that rotation perfect. Small mistakes will cause you to drift out of alignment and rip your big deeps in that case. Other interactive mechanics.. I can think of Ramuh savage where the tank has to click a thing and protect us all from instant death, but that's all those mechanics boil down to no? Click this thing and success. Pre boss trash is just a chore and in cases of repeat wipes will cause frustration.

Some have mentioned Delubrum Reginae Savage, I have cleared that content and it was certainly enjoyable! But still I would not say that is WoW style raid.. it is just a harder alliance raid. Props to the discords and organisers for setting them up, teaching and shot calling! I hope to go do Baldesian Arsenal at some point too

[sauc]

unlikely because the way they design classes to have 100% dps uptime and not much else. Something like ghuuns orbs would not be possible here cause classes aren't designed for that kind of mechanic.

[Velnora]

Japanese level design doesn't allow for it.

[Tsukino]

This thread reminds me of when that Wildstar game came out. Everyone has a completely different idea of what the mostly meaningless term "raid" is in an MMO, based mostly on the one they played first or the most of.

[Melorie]

I cannot say I am interested in getting WoW style raiding, this is not wow and I do get a bit exasperated at the wow players that come to ff and want to change a lot of the game to make it more like wow. WoW has failed spectacularly and I don't want ffxiv to emulate that.

Sorry, but this sounds so hyperbolic. It's normal that games take inspiration from other games, just like FFXIV has taken inspiration from WoW, and WoW was inspired by Everquest and so it goes. Seeing a solution for something in another game and thinking "hey, that's cool, do you think ffxiv is going to do it someday?" isn't "make it like WoW" "people wanting the game to change". It's simply an idea, that could or not be implemented. To build great and innovative things we do have to take a look at what others are doing as well, this is healthy for ffxiv and any other game. FFXIV 2.0 was able to succeed because it looked at what the current market was doing and learned from it.

Also, just because a game isn't as successful as it once was, does that mean that everything that game created, all the solutions for certain content... are all in vain, and shouldn't ever be considered? Some of my favourite MMOs are dead for a lot of reasons, doesn't mean that I can't appreciate certain systems they had (and tbh, wow is quite far from being a failed game, it is still popular and has a healthy playerbase regardless).