Jobs and Class, I am nervous now.

[NoctisUmbra]

not to say anything about the patch because we don't know anything until we test them, but the saying it will increase dps is jumping to a conclusion we can't really make, yet. remember as it is now a thm has to limit itself to keep from drawing hate from the tank. even if the tanking gets better with paladin then thm could theoretically still not be able go all out without drawing hate. if that is the case neither would out dps the other.

There's not many fights in the game where a THM can sustainably go all out and draw hate. If a THM goes all out now, enough to draw hate, they're gonna spend that much time waiting for MP regen doing nothing.

PLD clearly will generate more hate than GLA. Most of GLA's hate generation is from native skills already, and PLD gives it a very potent heal as well.

There's no way Convert cannot increase THM's DPS - what's important is how well it will perform to that end. What effects that? The cooldown of Convert. That's one CD I'd be much more worried about being balanced than 15 minute Burst.

[darkstarpoet1]

There's not many fights in the game where a THM can sustainably go all out and draw hate. If a THM goes all out now, enough to draw hate, they're gonna spend that much time waiting for MP regen doing nothing.

PLD clearly will generate more hate than GLA. Most of GLA's hate generation is from native skills already, and PLD gives it a very potent heal as well.

There's no way Convert cannot increase THM's DPS - what's important is how well it will perform to that end. What effects that? The cooldown of Convert. That's one CD I'd be much more worried about being balanced than 15 minute Burst.

in any of the longer fights they can pull hate off the tank quite easily. it doesn't matter if it's darkhold, ifrit, moogle, the nm's, or the stronghold bosses. i'm not saying pld won't be vastly better and you are correct. it's just that even with the hate abilities i already spend half the fight standing and recovering mp even while almost full because i am in the red. even if i had convert on my thm i wouldn't be of any use using it at that point because one more combo would send me from the red to having hate on the mob.

i'm just pointing out that jumping to the conclusion that blm will be greater dps without us testing it compared to thm is the same as the op jumping to the other conclusion. we will know nothing for sure until we get those jobs with the patch and test them for ourselves.

[NoctisUmbra]

in any of the longer fights they can pull hate off the tank quite easily. it doesn't matter if it's darkhold, ifrit, moogle, the nm's, or the stronghold bosses. i'm not saying pld won't be vastly better and you are correct. it's just that even with the hate abilities i already spend half the fight standing and recovering mp even while almost full because i am in the red. even if i had convert on my thm i wouldn't be of any use using it at that point because one more combo would send me from the red to having hate on the mob.

i'm just pointing out that jumping to the conclusion that blm will be greater dps without us testing it compared to thm is the same as the op jumping to the other conclusion. we will know nothing for sure until we get those jobs with the patch and test them for ourselves.

It sure as hell ain't gonna be lower. Your scenario has too many variables - your hate management, your tank's efficiency, etc.

However, yes I agree. In the end, we'll know what we get when we get it.

[darkstarpoet1]

It sure as hell ain't gonna be lower. Your scenario has too many variables - your hate management, your tank's efficiency, etc.

However, yes I agree. In the end, we'll know what we get when we get it.

yes, i know it has alot of variables. that was the point. the whole idea was just stating we can't compare a class that's in game now to a 30 second video of a job we haven't been able to test because it's not in game, yet.

it could have been just as gimp as they could get it and had no stats nor accessories on it. the only way any of us will ever know is when they come out unlock the jobs, complete the quests, get the abilities, and test them so we can compare them.

[NoctisUmbra]

yes, i know it has alot of variables. that was the point. the whole idea was just stating we can't compare a class that's in game now to a 30 second video of a job we haven't been able to test because it's not in game, yet.

it could have been just as gimp as they could get it and had no stats nor accessories on it. the only way any of us will ever know is when they come out unlock the jobs, complete the quests, get the abilities, and test them so we can compare them.

The point is motive. If it doesn't do better damage than a THM, it's not desirable and therefore a waste. That's why I can say that it will do better. If it doesn't, it will be buffed to do better.

I play with a very, very competent tank. No matter what fight, none of us THMs in any party ever managed to stay in red. Chameleon, Quelling Strike and especially forced MP management make sure of that.