Jobs and Class, I am nervous now.

[Starlord]

How about.. we wait till we play the patch.. before discussing something we haven't even touched yet? :/

[Yves]

How about.. we wait till we play the patch.. before discussing something we haven't even touched yet? :/

Dood, I couldn't agree more. We will see what happens and how it all goes. As it stands now, I don't move while casting unless I'm PL'ing and even then I could just run, cure-claim, drop, then nuke.

[Jinrya-Geki]

How about.. we wait till we play the patch.. before discussing something we haven't even touched yet? :/

I will seriously shut up about it, and ask for your forgiveness if I am wrong about it. But how radically different can the video be in 4 days from the patch?

If I get proven wrong, and the mp cost is lowered, damage is vastly improved from Black Mage I will be ok with that. The video however doesn't show it.

[Masamune1004]

The video however doesn't show it.

The video wasn't meant to show it. For all we know the BLM's INT and MATK could have be reduced greatly, reducing damage to show off everything instead of killing the mobs with one Thunder (I doubt BLM will be that powerful, but hopefully you get my point).

[NoctisUmbra]

I will seriously shut up about it, and ask for your forgiveness if I am wrong about it. But how radically different can the video be in 4 days from the patch?

If I get proven wrong, and the mp cost is lowered, damage is vastly improved from Black Mage I will be ok with that. The video however doesn't show it.

MP lowered?

Damage overall increased?

Neither of those need to happen.

[Jinrya-Geki]

MP lowered?

Damage overall increased?

Neither of those need to happen.

If neither need to happen then what does Black Mage bring to the table that Thaumturge can do better since it's not cross-class restricted?

[NoctisUmbra]

If neither need to happen then what does Black Mage bring to the table that Thaumturge can do better since it's not cross-class restricted?

Convert and Ancient Magic as well as Sleepga are quite invaluable. Convert directly increases DPS over THM.

Also, let's not forget that the BLM in that video was in THM gear - no AF. My gil is on the AF being very OP compared to any and every class gear in game atm. Why? Because if they get the cross-class limitations right, they can make the AF best in slot undisputed when on job and still keep gear balance - because AF is job specific.

[darkstarpoet1]

Convert and Ancient Magic as well as Sleepga are quite invaluable. Convert directly increases DPS over THM.

Also, let's not forget that the BLM in that video was in THM gear - no AF. My gil is on the AF being very OP compared to any and every class gear in game atm.

not to say anything about the patch because we don't know anything until we test them, but the saying it will increase dps is jumping to a conclusion we can't really make, yet. remember as it is now a thm has to limit itself to keep from drawing hate from the tank. even if the tanking gets better with paladin then thm could theoretically still not be able go all out without drawing hate. if that is the case neither would out dps the other.

[NoctisUmbra]

not to say anything about the patch because we don't know anything until we test them, but the saying it will increase dps is jumping to a conclusion we can't really make, yet. remember as it is now a thm has to limit itself to keep from drawing hate from the tank. even if the tanking gets better with paladin then thm could theoretically still not be able go all out without drawing hate. if that is the case neither would out dps the other.

There's not many fights in the game where a THM can sustainably go all out and draw hate. If a THM goes all out now, enough to draw hate, they're gonna spend that much time waiting for MP regen doing nothing.

PLD clearly will generate more hate than GLA. Most of GLA's hate generation is from native skills already, and PLD gives it a very potent heal as well.

There's no way Convert cannot increase THM's DPS - what's important is how well it will perform to that end. What effects that? The cooldown of Convert. That's one CD I'd be much more worried about being balanced than 15 minute Burst.

[Jinrya-Geki]

Convert and Ancient Magic as well as Sleepga are quite invaluable. Convert directly increases DPS over THM.

Also, let's not forget that the BLM in that video was in THM gear - no AF. My gil is on the AF being very OP compared to any and every class gear in game atm. Why? Because if they get the cross-class limitations right, they can make the AF best in slot undisputed when on job and still keep gear balance - because AF is job specific.

Let's say for the sake of sakefullness that Black mage can't use Chameleon, but Thaumturge can. You use Freeze to lower your hate, cool. But how long before you go back into red and have to wait, versus the Thm who can lower his hate every few minutes.