New summoner is unacceptable

[Exosapien]

Imagine being this deep into Endwalker and still saying things like this. It is time to *move on.*

That guy is just a troll. He just says the most inflammatory thing he can think of in every thread. Safe to ignore him.

[cadejocr2019]

I LOVE IT.

[Welsper59]

Oh and you had to be max level in something else first (which could easily take some people a whole year in that game) because obtaining all the summons required endgame fights.

Not entirely true. If I recall correctly, it wasn't very long after NA release that the mini trials, or whatever they are called, were introduced for the base summons (everything before Fenrir and Diabolos). It's how I acquired some of the avatars.

You are definitely correct though in terms of SMN lacking an identity until endgame that wasn't supportive healing, at least until Fenrir. SMN burn parties, next to manaburn parties, were in stupidly high demand for some endgame content by that time. Outside of those though, even though they were fairly strong thanks to Fenrir, they definitely were pretty questionable in usage for being SMN. Of course, the fact SMN burns were a thing and could do endgame stuff really easily is exactly why people wanted to have them. It really had nothing to do with regular party usage.

[Jirah]

I'm confident in the fact that in the next few months more and more people will grow tired of this job and finally realize how shallow it is

Hasn’t worked with MCH so doubt it’s, and still waiting for a DNC naysayer which are rarer than a PS5

[Roda]

And yup, just as I feared, all this continuous 1 spam is causing hand strain...

[EverQuest]

Needs more damage. Zero point in tanking one over a bard ATM.

Less damage less utility.

[Skiros]

Needs more damage. Zero point in tanking one over a bard ATM.

Less damage less utility.

If you look at damage to boss, BRD and SMN are largely equal ATM. SMN seems to suffer more from bad killtimes in my experience though.

[Cithaerias_pyropina]

And yup, just as I feared, all this continuous 1 spam is causing hand strain...

It's causing me more sanity strain than hand strain. It's so boring that I weave Energy Drain/Siphon and Fester/Painflare during Garuda's 1.5 gcds because that's the only semblance to fun it has, well, before level 86.

[Psytic]

I think its a blast and I love the way it looks even when Titans big butt is blocking my screen. Really enjoying it. I think they should just spin off an Alchemist class that focuses on the old style of dot game play via tossing poison potions for those that want Affliction Warlock and leave SMN the way it is.

[zcrash970]

I think its a blast and I love the way it looks even when Titans big butt is blocking my screen. Really enjoying it. I think they should just spin off an Alchemist class that focuses on the old style of dot game play via tossing poison potions for those that want Affliction Warlock and leave SMN the way it is.

Not sure if you lack reading comprehension or just didn't read, but the problem is a lot of people just hate the class design, myself included.

And you probably didn't play smn pre-6.0 and/or affliction warlock if you think they are comparable. The only thing they had in common was having dots and a pet.