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  1. #21
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    There's probably a simpler reason.
    Based on Emet's reference to the volcano when Venat asks how Azem has been doing, Elidibus is already Emissary at this point. I have a question, though.

    Would you wear the red mask even if you wanted to travel around incognito? I'd be surprised if they let Emissaries go off on their own to explore spooky castles with dread slumbering beasts within. This seems a bit like trying to sneak into to a dungeon with a crown on your head.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyth View Post
    There's probably a simpler reason.
    Based on Emet's reference to the volcano when Venat asks how Azem has been doing, Elidibus is already Emissary at this point. I have a question, though.

    Would you wear the red mask even if you wanted to travel around incognito? I'd be surprised if they let Emissaries go off on their own to explore spooky castles with dread slumbering beasts within. This seems a bit like trying to sneak into to a dungeon with a crown on your head.
    Hmm but there's still many questions...

    Logistically speaking why/how are we back in Elpis anyways once we move from that part of the story. Is it a fixed time loop where we arrived conveniently when Emet and Hythlodaeus spotted us? Does time even move forward till final days when we revisit? Is it possible it's not as linear as we think? With Emet's magic we were given a corporeal form which stays, after he's long gone much like Hydaelyn's mark.

    I suppose by not having the red mask is incognito but what about the white robe?, When did we have time to see Elidibus? When we were at the Tower when he made the gate he did mention he saw us (not certain if he meant present day us or Azem/both?) but when in time did we just have time to visit while he was incognito?
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    I just thought about something regarding that post-credit scene...

    Depending on your WoL's gender, Elidibus says that he or she fortold our coming. So he certainly refers to Azem.
    But that also means that Azem somehow knew that we would come. As if they had knowledge of the future.
    So, basically, they are telling us that Azem has the same gender as our protagonist, but also knows what will happen in our character's life.
    As far as we know, the only one who knew the future up to this point was Venat, because we told her about it.

    Back in 5.3, I remember many players saying we are not Azem, we just inherited his/her soul. But actually...I am starting to wonder...
    Are we going to travel back through time to become Azem? Is that what Yoshi-P meant when saying they would "go THAT far" with the story?
    It certainly leads to the question of our soul, and how it could become complete again before we travel back.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Garnix View Post
    I just thought about something regarding that post-credit scene...

    Depending on your WoL's gender, Elidibus says that he or she fortold our coming. So he certainly refers to Azem.
    But that also means that Azem somehow knew that we would come. As if they had knowledge of the future.
    So, basically, they are telling us that Azem has the same gender as our protagonist, but also knows what will happen in our character's life.
    As far as we know, the only one who knew the future up to this point was Venat, because we told her about it.

    Back in 5.3, I remember many players saying we are not Azem, we just inherited his/her soul. But actually...I am starting to wonder...
    Are we going to travel back through time to become Azem? Is that what Yoshi-P meant when saying they would "go THAT far" with the story?
    It certainly leads to the question of our soul, and how it could become complete again before we travel back.
    There's a simple reason for that.
    Venat told Azem about what happened in Elpis. She likely told our past self everything that transpired as one of the few people who could be trusted, and when Elidibus said he was going to check Pandaemonium, Azem told him to not enter until the "escort" arrives. Since Azem can't help but be drawn to the world's problems, our past self knows us showing up is 100% going to happen simply because of that "problem magnet" we have. That of course is me guessing. But if I traveled the world and knew I always got dragged into things, I'd know for a fact that my future self would get dragged into it too.
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    The role quests have differing dialogue based on whether or not you've already finished the MSQ but they mention people are still turning into beasts even though the source of the Final Days has been stopped.

    It makes me wonder if that's going to come up in the MSQ and whether the fallout is going to naturally fade away with time or if we'll have to resort to a more direct method of purifying the tainted dynamis as a plot hook for future 6.x MSQs.
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    We're overdue to get Dragons for a Beast Tribe reputation grind.

    I think it'd play in somewhat well with Estinien being called to Radz-at-Han by Vytra, perhaps deciding to finally go check in on the last of the First Brood, since their final brood brother has been silent for so long, even ignoring a call to save the world from the Final Days that the rest all answered, even Midgardsormir giving reply despite sleeping.

    So my money is on Loporrits, Matanga, and Dragons.

    Similarly, I feel like we'll be seeing all of the Scions in different end-game content. As someone else suggested earlier, crafters helping to rebuild part of Garlemald with Alphinaud and Alisae, perhaps Y'shtola getting involved in us with Pandaemonium, Thancred and Urianger in the trials, and also as someone suggested, G'raha and Corvos being our new Relic forging outlet.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KageTokage View Post
    The role quests have differing dialogue based on whether or not you've already finished the MSQ but they mention people are still turning into beasts even though the source of the Final Days has been stopped.

    It makes me wonder if that's going to come up in the MSQ and whether the fallout is going to naturally fade away with time or if we'll have to resort to a more direct method of purifying the tainted dynamis as a plot hook for future 6.x MSQs.
    My guess is that it will cease happening with the completion of the role quests and the slaying of the remaining blasphemes.
    Quote Originally Posted by Vexander View Post
    We're overdue to get Dragons for a Beast Tribe reputation grind.

    I think it'd play in somewhat well with Estinien being called to Radz-at-Han by Vytra, perhaps deciding to finally go check in on the last of the First Brood, since their final brood brother has been silent for so long, even ignoring a call to save the world from the Final Days that the rest all answered, even Midgardsormir giving reply despite sleeping.

    So my money is on Loporrits, Matanga, and Dragons.

    Similarly, I feel like we'll be seeing all of the Scions in different end-game content. As someone else suggested earlier, crafters helping to rebuild part of Garlemald with Alphinaud and Alisae, perhaps Y'shtola getting involved in us with Pandaemonium, Thancred and Urianger in the trials, and also as someone suggested, G'raha and Corvos being our new Relic forging outlet.
    I think we'll bet Matanga, Loporrits...and something in Ultima Thule. I feel like the way the optional level 90 dungeon quest ends is setting up a beast tribe quest centered there. Which could include Omicrons, Dragons and Ea, though likely picking one of them as the focal point.

    Similar to the Ananta beast tribe quests were really more about the resistance as a whole but used an ananta as the focal chacter. Or how the SHB beast tribe quests focused on a tribe but also involved other denizens of those zones int heir story, same for the Namazu and the Xaela.

    If we see dragons involved I think it will be the shade dragons in UT rather than Radz-at-Hahn. Not only because I expect Thavnair to be the zone for the Matanga and thus not likely to have a second tribe focused on Thavnair, but also because it'd be kind of weird to have a bunch more dragons show up there suddenly when Vytra has been alone there for so long.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RyuDragnier View Post
    There's a simple reason for that.
    Venat told Azem about what happened in Elpis. She likely told our past self everything that transpired as one of the few people who could be trusted, and when Elidibus said he was going to check Pandaemonium, Azem told him to not enter until the "escort" arrives. Since Azem can't help but be drawn to the world's problems, our past self knows us showing up is 100% going to happen simply because of that "problem magnet" we have. That of course is me guessing. But if I traveled the world and knew I always got dragged into things, I'd know for a fact that my future self would get dragged into it too.
    The problem with that is.

    The guiding star IS gender specific, not Gender Fluid to the whatever our character in game is. Which I'm thinking is Lahabrea I suspect because this is the elephant in the room, that the MagicMike Memory Device 2002 introduced in this story is probably going into play. I mean REALLY we have a MaGuffin STILL sitting in a zone we can apparently revisit? It wasn't destroyed afaik. I also find it odd that Elidibus trying to remember things during that one cutscene seems to disorient him more, and wouldn't be surprised if said device may have been used on him as well.


    Also speaking of content going forward specially raid

    I am not going to be one bit surprised if Kairos ends up as some kind of raid boss or trial. I can see TIMESTOPs a la Alexander coming back
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    Last edited by QT_Melon; 12-17-2021 at 01:07 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by QT_Melon View Post
    The problem with that is.

    The guiding star IS gender specific, not Gender Fluid to the whatever our character in game is. Which I'm thinking is Lahabrea I suspect because this is the elephant in the room, that the MagicMike Memory Device 2002 introduced in this story is probably going into play. I mean REALLY we have a MaGuffin STILL sitting in a zone we can apparently revisit? It wasn't destroyed afaik. I also find it odd that Elidibus trying to remember things during that one cutscene seems to disorient him more, and wouldn't be surprised if said device may have been used on him as well.
    I chalked his memory loss to refusing to look at his set of convocation memory crystals. After all 12k years is an easy amount of time to forget some things.
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    Time to go in blind once more with Pandæmonium and new alliance raid when we get there xD also if we do get another zone for endwalker relic weapons, i really cant wait to see! If we get , that is. But everything else im looking forward to in future patches
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