Healer design is still terrible and I'm tired of apologizing for it.

[Anhra]

Healers arent even needed anymore for most Content anyway, with how overpowered PLD, WAR and GNB currently are, in terms of self sustainment. From this point onward, i am straight up convinced that Squeenix is genuinely incapable of both understanding, as well as designing both Healers and Tanks.

[Kolsykol]

Healers arent even needed anymore for most Content anyway, with how overpowered PLD, WAR and GNB currently are, in terms of self sustainment. From this point onward, i am straight up convinced that Squeenix is genuinely incapable of both understanding, as well as designing both Healers and Tanks.

Today I had another run where the Healer and other DPS died and me and the Tank solo:ed every boss in expert roulette dungeon lol.

It just feels silly, I've seen Tanks solo bosses even with no DPS alive to help.
It's really demoralizing, I do want to level a Healer and heal too but then I see that and just eh... You feel so useless.

And as much as some people will want to claim otherwise, no Savage content is not the only content that matters.

[gumas]

Tank solo:ed every boss in expert roulette dungeon

unless the tank is PLD i just cant see how the tank able to survive long enough until the boss die, i dont play tank so i dont know but i remember only PLD has the go to heal skill right? DRK and GNB also has it but like... long cooldown and small amount heal only or something?

unless you mean the boss already at less then 25% HP when the healer die then yeah, i think they could solo it, maybe?

[Anxin]

Last night in Ktisis, everyone except our warrior died to the last boss almost immediately. The tank was the only one who had done the dungeon before. The warrior then proceeded to solo the last boss. It took awhile, but it is perfectly doable. So it doesn't surprise me if a good tank can do the same on an expert roulette. While this is likely more an exception than a rule, it really shouldn't be possible in a team-based game.

[gumas]

Last night in Ktisis, everyone except our warrior died to the last boss almost immediately. The tank was the only one who had done the dungeon before. The warrior then proceeded to solo the last boss. It took awhile, but it is perfectly doable. So it doesn't surprise me if a good tank can do the same on an expert roulette. While this is likely more an exception than a rule, it really shouldn't be possible in a team-based game.

sorry for the uh... newb question? but does ff14 boss has enrage timer? come to think of it i never know about this

[Anxin]

sorry for the uh... newb question? but does ff14 boss has enrage timer? come to think of it i never know about this

I don't remember any dungeon bosses with enrage timers. They just continually cycle through their attack scripts. Back in 2.0, my FC used to do dungeon runs without tanks or without healers, just for fun. With some work, it was doable for most (but not all) dungeons even back then.

[Sebazy]

sorry for the uh... newb question? but does ff14 boss has enrage timer? come to think of it i never know about this

I don't remember any dungeon bosses with enrage timers. They just continually cycle through their attack scripts. Back in 2.0, my FC used to do dungeon runs without tanks or without healers, just for fun. With some work, it was doable for most (but not all) dungeons even back then.

A few dungeons in ARR had some form of enrage whilst they were relevant. A few examples: Miser's Mistress in Aurum Vale where you'd need to use fruit faster than they spawned, eventually causing dot damage to overwhelm the healer. In Amdapor Keep, Demon wall had a baby soft enrage by the way of the Bees being quite difficult to deal with. Anantaboga had a much firmer enrage via Imminent Catastrophe only being avoidable 4 times before you ran out of statues to hide behind.

Note that many of these don't really function correctly anymore, either simply due to the boss dieing far too quickly or players just having enough HP/Defense to simply survive what was once a one shot back in the day.

[Liam_Harper]

While this is likely more an exception than a rule, it really shouldn't be possible in a team-based game.

I think it's perfectly fine.

Tanks being potential juggernauts makes tanks more interesting to play and gives them moments of glory to live for. It's fun to break outside the box once in a while. The only thing I'd prefer is if that sustain required more skill, then it'd be a reward for playing exceptionally well, rather than just pressing Nascent Flash every 25 sec.

But as healers I think we're looking at entirely the wrong issue trying to take tanks toys away from them. Dungeon bosses are irrelevant content that hit like wet noodles outside of directly screwing up mechanics. Even if we took all the healing away from tanks, it won't add more heal requirement than an extra GCD heal every minute or two at most.
Things like "healers aren't needed anymore" is exaggerating for the sake of it. The majority of groups in most content would crumple if you removed their healers.

[Aword3213]

I think it's perfectly fine.

Tanks being potential juggernauts makes tanks more interesting to play and gives them moments of glory to live for. It's fun to break outside the box once in a while. The only thing I'd prefer is if that sustain required more skill, then it'd be a reward for playing exceptionally well, rather than just pressing Nascent Flash every 25 sec.

But as healers I think we're looking at entirely the wrong issue trying to take tanks toys away from them. Dungeon bosses are irrelevant content that hit like wet noodles outside of directly screwing up mechanics. Even if we took all the healing away from tanks, it won't add more heal requirement than an extra GCD heal every minute or two at most.
Things like "healers aren't needed anymore" is exaggerating for the sake of it. The majority of groups in most content would crumple if you removed their healers.

Yeah, dungeon runs are not good examples to prove healer being useless

Healers have no problem soloing any dungeons, provided that you have the patience for it. There's no enrage timer. Dungeon boss can't do anything to healers. You don't even need to put shields on yourself to survive tankbusters.

However, if dungeons runs are enough to prove healer being useless, then the fact that healer can solo dungeons also proves DPS and tanks are useless too

[Sebazy]

Yeah, dungeon runs are not good examples to prove healer being useless

Healers have no problem soloing any dungeons, provided that you have the patience for it. There's no enrage timer. Dungeon boss can't do anything to healers. You don't even need to put shields on yourself to survive tankbusters.

Have you actually tested your claims? Do you have anything to cite that confirms this? I don't think you do.

If you did you'd know that The Dead End Peacekeeper's Elimination tank buster hits for 50k+ on a caster without mitigation. As AST I can survive one with literally everything on myself. I can't survive two back to back because I need both Neutral Sect and CI to survive the hit+auto or I just get one shot.

Source to confirm

Twist and argue my words all you want, just stop spreading your lies as gospel. Thanks