People advertising they're running Parsers

[JanVanding]

I don't think a lot of people in this thread even know what a "parse run" is.

It's not advertised to let you know they are parsing and you should be "this high" to join. Parse runs are runs which sole purpose is to get high percentile parses as a challenge, via greed/uptime strats and padding. It's advertised toward a very specific subset of the playerbase and has nothing to do with 99% of the posters in this thread. It has litteraly no impact on you since you wouldn't be interested in joining such a party (and probably don't have the skill anyway).

Then it should be a locked party and not advertised in PF. It breaks the rules, it should not be there.

[DezereDawn]

We are criticizing the intent and behavior of people in the game, not the game. If you do not understand what is being said it's better to stay quiet to not embarrass yourself.

The only person here embarassing themselves is you.

[Avidria]

Yet Yoshi P himself stated that if they followed the TOS as strictly as needed to stop parsers and other mods Discord would be caught up in it due to it modifying the gameplay (voice chat 100% modifies how you play the game).

Do you have a source for this? Genuine question because that'd actually be kind of absurd lmao. Discord, as far as I'm aware, doesn't even interact with the game at all beyond being able to detect that you're playing it.

Messing with game files is different from "changing how you play the game" though, pretty fundamentally. Unless the point is that they'd have to be ridiculously and invasively strict to be able to do anything about parsers, which I could almost believe, but yeah.

[Crossu]

Toxicity finds a way regardless of third party add-ons or not.

[LittleImp]

Do you have a source for this? Genuine question because that'd actually be kind of absurd lmao. Discord, as far as I'm aware, doesn't even interact with the game at all beyond being able to detect that you're playing it.

Messing with game files is different from "changing how you play the game" though, pretty fundamentally. Unless the point is that they'd have to be ridiculously and invasively strict to be able to do anything about parsers, which I could almost believe, but yeah.

He has indeed said those things during a Live Letter, though I can't remember which one.

Yoshida recognizes that parsers aren't going anywhere and probably uses one himself, but has to maintain some kind of plausible deniability for the sake of community optics. Hence his silly little discord talk.

edit: it's along the same lines of when he famously stated he could simply parse logs in an Excel sheet.

[FrogDog]

Yet Yoshi P himself stated that if they followed the TOS as strictly as needed to stop parsers and other mods Discord would be caught up in it due to it modifying the gameplay (voice chat 100% modifies how you play the game).

If that's a real quote then just...wow. Assuming that is real then it just sounds like he's walking a tight rope trying to appease the feelings of casual players and not trying to run off raiders.

[Nothv13]

Do you have a source for this? Genuine question because that'd actually be kind of absurd lmao. Discord, as far as I'm aware, doesn't even interact with the game at all beyond being able to detect that you're playing it.

Messing with game files is different from "changing how you play the game" though, pretty fundamentally. Unless the point is that they'd have to be ridiculously and invasively strict to be able to do anything about parsers, which I could almost believe, but yeah.

https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...talking_about/

Quite literally, if they followed the no 3rd party tools that change gameplay that is espoused in the ToS, they'd have to scan the personal computer and prohibited largely innocent programs. No Razer or Logitech programs, no VPNs to help your ping, Discord even falls into this category. Hell, Yoshi even reasons out that Excel could be considered a 3rd party tool as well. Their stance remains a No to 3rd party addons, but if you get in trouble for using them you likely are in trouble for something much more damning.

If that's a real quote then just...wow. Assuming that is real then it just sounds like he's walking a tight rope trying to appease the feelings of casual players and not trying to run off raiders.

Its a paraphrase. Yoshi originally wanted to have addons officially supported, so I don't think he is actually against them. WHat I think he is against is having addons begin to dictate how the game is developed like in WoW.

[IdowhatIwant]

We are talking about advertising it in Party Finder. I've been around awhile and know it's not enforced for duties like savage if people are quiet about it. I've been around long enough to know all about the pro and anti parser debate. It's a regular thing here on this forum.

It has nothing to do with me liking or not liking parsers. I'm just commenting about the blatant use of them in party finder to try and exclude people. You obviously are a pro parser advocate and that's fine you can advocate them if you like but publicly using them to shame or keep people out of duties when advertising them is against the TOS. You can be banned for it.

Whether YOU think it's fine or not isn't the issue it's what the Director and GM's think that matters.

Again though advertising a parsing party shows no evidence of third party software. If you were to actually report that the GM likely would not do anything about it because you have 0 evidence ToS is being broken. You can parse using calculator and a stop watch or copy and pasted the combat log into an excel sheet with macros set up. The arguement about the word parse being used just means you are uneducated. Here you go this is what Parse means.
Parse:verb:
analyze (a sentence) into its parts and describe their syntactic roles.
Parse: Computing
analyze (a string or text) into logical syntactic components, typically in order to test conformability to a logical grammar.
examine or analyze minutely.
Parse:nounComputing
an act of or the result obtained by parsing a string or a text.

Now if the party said Parsing group using ACT or third party software then you have evidence.

Oh I'm sorry, were my purple figures on EX'es not high enough for you? Or the fact I don't do Savage is a problem for you?

Ohh...but they probably dropped from purple since I did those EX'es on patch an didn't go back eh?

You are exactly the reason SE has the hard policy because you don't even understand what you're even looking at!

There is no harsh policy against it. Yoshi P said he does not want it to become a reporting war about it which is what people like you are essentially doing. He basically said using a calculator while playing, copy and pasting the log into an excel sheet with macros, ACT, its all the same thing in reality. It is not affecting the game files so it's a grey area, if you report some one for picking on you based on parses it would be considered harassment and not use of third party software. The simple answer is no it's not supposed to be used because he has to say that based on the ToS. tThe reality of that answer is I don't want my group flooded with petty reports. Play the game have fun the way you want to and don't interfere with each others fun that's what it all boils down to.

These Savage/Ultimate people all use Cactbot as well

Cactbot is for the WoW refugees the never learned how to raid with out being instructed what to do every 5 seconds. Cactbot should be banned it's stupid, it's designed for bad players to look good, and its flat out ruins fun game play. But if you wanna do that you do you but I have 0 respect for it.

[CharlotteSilver]

Barsing is based. Funny colours make me feel good.

[Saraide]

Discord =/ parsers

Discord is still third party software and all third party software is against TOS. Sorry.

Do you have a source for this? Genuine question because that'd actually be kind of absurd lmao. Discord, as far as I'm aware, doesn't even interact with the game at all beyond being able to detect that you're playing it.

Messing with game files is different from "changing how you play the game" though, pretty fundamentally. Unless the point is that they'd have to be ridiculously and invasively strict to be able to do anything about parsers, which I could almost believe, but yeah.

Parsers only read the combat log, something you could theoretically do yourself. No game files are being touched. Voice chat impacts the game far more than parsing however. It is so much easier to call the starfall mechanic on one of the latest ex trials over voice chat than it would be through ingame chat.