People advertising they're running Parsers

[Yahallo]

Personally I don't understand why we're using parsers in non-static based groups now. If that's just how it'll be now then fair, but hopefully those running the groups take the time to help those who join and don't meet the mark. I feel like kicking someone from a group based on numbers is harassment in some form or somehow breaking the ToS.

If someone is not meeting the expected performance in a clear or farm group, regardless of whether it is a pug or static, it is not considered harassment nor against ToS to kick them. If they are not ready for the content but claim they are, it is kickable under the pretense of difference in gameplay style. The players that actually are ready for clear and farm groups are under no obligation to help someone who is not ready; rather it is unfair to make them help said person. After all, they put in the time and effort in learning parties, why can't the non-ready person do the same?

Even if the person kicking is using a parser and is kicking someone based on their dps; as long as they aren't mentioning it in game, they cannot be reported. If asked, they can simply reply, "Difference in gameplay styles." Furthermore, even if parsing is mentioned in discord or anywhere outside of the game, it cannot be reported. Whether you agree with that is irrelevant, it is the reality and is not going to change.

[IdowhatIwant]

They are both against the TOS. You can report who you like just be careful you can be banned for false reporting. Not sure how you're going to know who is using nude mods unless you're using them yourself. Be that as it may that won't be making parsers legal in this game because the Director has gone on record numerous times about their use.

This is Yoshi-P's official response to parsers.
https://www.reddit.com/r/ffxiv/comme...ingame_parser/

Go ahead and openly admit to their use and see how long that goes unnoticed and unpunished.

According to the ToS running any third party software while playing the game is against the ToS. We all know this stop beating a dead horse.
How ever Yoshi P straight said he does not want to know what you are running while playing the game some stuff is a grey area so long as it is not changing the in game files.

As far as parsing goes picking on some one for a low DPS would be considered harrassment not against running third party software, because again there is not any real evidence of third party software use because you can do this with a calculator as that is all parsing really is.

I think a large portion of this community needs to grow up and stop trying to shelter themselves so much. If you don't want to parse don't but that is not going to stop others from doing it. When doing most fights in this game you are not going to need a parser to tell who is not performing well, as you will be seeing them being raised every couple of minutes, see very low uptime, and frequent HP drops.

If you don't like parsing groups don't join them. They are not hurting you they are minding there own business playing the game they want to play it and there is nothing wrong with that.
Play the game the way you want to play, let people play the way they want to play. As long as no one is harassing you it does not matter.
You should be more concerned with that player that joins a farm party with out a clear. That is more toxic than parsing.

[Sathona]

I dont care if people use parsers as long as they dont harass others with them since we have seen where that leads.
And if SE decides to take action it will be well justified, also Yoshi Ps statement about them at Summer was spot on xD

[LaylaTsarra]

According to the ToS running any third party software while playing the game is against the ToS. We all know this stop beating a dead horse.
How ever Yoshi P straight said he does not want to know what you are running while playing the game some stuff is a grey area so long as it is not changing the in game files.

We are talking about advertising it in Party Finder. I've been around awhile and know it's not enforced for duties like savage if people are quiet about it. I've been around long enough to know all about the pro and anti parser debate. It's a regular thing here on this forum.

It has nothing to do with me liking or not liking parsers. I'm just commenting about the blatant use of them in party finder to try and exclude people. You obviously are a pro parser advocate and that's fine you can advocate them if you like but publicly using them to shame or keep people out of duties when advertising them is against the TOS. You can be banned for it.

Whether YOU think it's fine or not isn't the issue it's what the Director and GM's think that matters.

[Michieltjuhh]

How ever Yoshi P straight said he does not want to know what you are running while playing the game some stuff is a grey area so long as it is not changing the in game files.

The ironic thing is that without people parsing, it would take them significantly more effort to determine which classes are performing too well or not well enough. And we know how averse SE is to investing money into FF14.

They literally need parsers for the game to succeed.

[Nothv13]

Discord =/ parsers

Yet Yoshi P himself stated that if they followed the TOS as strictly as needed to stop parsers and other mods Discord would be caught up in it due to it modifying the gameplay (voice chat 100% modifies how you play the game).

[Nyarlha]

I don't think a lot of people in this thread even know what a "parse run" is.

It's not advertised to let you know they are parsing and you should be "this high" to join. Parse runs are runs which sole purpose is to get high percentile parses as a challenge, via greed/uptime strats and padding. It's advertised toward a very specific subset of the playerbase and has nothing to do with 99% of the posters in this thread. It has litteraly no impact on you since you wouldn't be interested in joining such a party (and probably don't have the skill anyway).

[Xrystofer]

DPS/parsing was mentioned exactly twice, 2 (two) times, in the 2286 dungeons/trials I've done - and only one of the two was """toxic""", yet I'm very sure that at least half of those times, someone was running a parser

Your results are biased, there's no control group. People are less inclined to be toxic because they can't openly talk about parsing.

People usually don't have an inherent problem with parsing, people have a problem with HOW parsing is used.

first of all, if someone has an issue with parsing, why would they join a parsing PF?
second, someone that joins a parsing PF knows that they're looking for maximum damage and uptime, which brings me to my third point;
anybody who joins that pf knows that they'll get criticized if they make a mistake or their dps is too low for their job, considering they knew what they joined into, though I assume people will just silently kick those people instead of trying to give advice at this point

Personally, I don't have an issue with parsing per se, I have an issue with how it is used. Furthermore, you are making the assumption that only those people, that knowingly join a party unprepared, will get criticised and I doubt that is true.

Why can't you just keep it to yourself?

[Themarvin]

Nope, they'll never be. Good raid groups that meet enrages in say the early weeks of savage/ultimate would like to know where they stand. Maybe the raid damage is just 100k short of killing the boss, and all the players are actually good. Knowing that piece of information could be the catalyst to make changes to doing certain mechanics, uptime, potions, etc.

There is also the aspect of knowing how much damage the boss(es) did to you, and how much were you or party members were (over)killed by. Did a healer forget to add barriers to survive a mechanic? Did you not have enough HP? What was debuffed at the time? Reprisal, addle? This kind of level of detail exists in the early weeks as well because you are undergeared.

These Savage/Ultimate people all use Cactbot as well

[Loonies]

On one side it might be ok to use it for yourself, but on the other side it leads to the wow toxicity and i do not like to see this in FF14. So better no third program at all allowed.