People advertising they're running Parsers

[Velnora]

You actually really don't need parsers to optimize in this game. It's not a matter of simming or testing various options like in other MMOs, as choices are actually extremely straight foreward and linear. You only really need to know phase timings and target counts to chart out optimal PPS and buff timings on a per-phase basis, which is how many jobs end up optimizing at the highest levels.

What kind of experience do you have in the highest level of this game btw? I'm curious what level of experience you're speaking from.

Parsers tell you optimal timing windows. When to/not delay an ability. Without them, people would be in the dark.

I don't raid hardcore in this game. I retired from world first raiding years ago.

[LittleImp]

Parsers tell you optimal timing windows. When to/not delay an ability. Without them, people would be in the dark.

I don't raid hardcore in this game. I retired from world first raiding years ago.

You're either baiting or genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, carry on I suppose.

[VelKallor]

Please do. Give us just five examples because "thousands of encounters" isn't just hyperbolic, it's downright absurd. Coincidentally, I could "regale" you with plenty of casual players who are equally or even more toxic despite not having a parser to speak of.

I played WOW from 2010 to 2019.

All kinds from "that guy" dropping dps meters in Ragefire, through to raid leaders screaming death threats in TeamSpeak, Discord and Ventrilo over dps numbers

In one case he threatened to find a player and kill his children. In another case, in open chat during an dungeon, he said he could find out where some person lived and kill his mother.

Or the guy who, on three occasions, told players to go find some rope and hang themselves. I should know, i was there. He was reported, over and over. Blizzard did nothing.

Nine years and thousands of instances, raids, dungeons, open world..but yeah Im making it all up.

*rolls eyes*

[Velnora]

You're either baiting or genuinely have no idea what you're talking about, carry on I suppose.

Baiting, how? You cannot honestly say that parsers aren't needed to optimize. People don't run them just for giggles.

[Avidria]

I played WOW from 2010 to 2019.

All kinds from "that guy" dropping dps meters in Ragefire, through to raid leaders screaming death threats in TeamSpeak, Discord and Ventrilo over dps numbers

In one case he threatened to find a player and kill his children. In another case, in open chat during an dungeon, he said he could find out where some person lived and kill his mother.

Or the guy who, on three occasions, told players to go find some rope and hang themselves. I should know, i was there. He was reported, over and over. Blizzard did nothing.

Nine years and thousands of instances, raids, dungeons, open world..but yeah Im making it all up.

*rolls eyes*

That's not parsers making people toxic, that's toxic idiots being toxic idiots. Always thought it was absolutely hysterical when some level 32 tryhard decided to spam a meter in SFK or something as if that game is or has ever been even slightly balanced at low levels. My favorite was the guy who was spamming a meter after every pull in DM once in a run where I, the healer, was miles ahead of him and everyone else. Because I was a mistweaver monk and, at the time, they were absolutely stupidly broken. It was hilarious. Those kinds of people? For one, only seem super common because they're all so loud and obnoxious, and for two, are absolutely never worth paying attention to.

...the second guy sounds like just an ahole who needed to be reported anyway. People like that don't need a dps meter to be an absolute tool.

[Miles064]

I played WOW from 2010 to 2019.

All kinds from "that guy" dropping dps meters in Ragefire, through to raid leaders screaming death threats in TeamSpeak, Discord and Ventrilo over dps numbers

In one case he threatened to find a player and kill his children. In another case, in open chat during an dungeon, he said he could find out where some person lived and kill his mother.

Or the guy who, on three occasions, told players to go find some rope and hang themselves. I should know, i was there. He was reported, over and over. Blizzard did nothing.

Nine years and thousands of instances, raids, dungeons, open world..but yeah Im making it all up.

*rolls eyes*

And how many other runs did you have were nobody said anything? Are you assuming simply having a parser is what made these toxic people act that way? Ive played WoW from start of Cata on and off till Shadowlands. People like you describe are such a low minority it would be absurd to just assume a tool has everything to do with it. People harass other with emotes in this game, should we ban emotes too?

[LittleImp]

Baiting, how? You cannot honestly say that parsers aren't needed to optimize. People don't run them just for giggles.

People lean into them to rate their performance and rank themselves, but a lot of optimization in this game actually takes place on spreadsheets with what amounts to essentially pen and paper math. This game is extremely scripted and plays almost like a rythm game at the ultra high end, with players on most jobs doing the same 'solved' execution every pull. It's usually a matter of simple addition, and seeing how many buffs / burst windows you can fit in based on phase durations. Heck, plenty of fights are successfully optimized before the FFXIV ACT plugin is even updated.

There are also plenty of worlds-first level players that don't ever bother with parse-running or speedkilling. Does that mean they're worse than someone who cleared 20 weeks later and rng fluked their way into the top 20? DPS is only a fraction of the story when it comes to player skill, and many people can easily optimize fights without a parser.

[JanVanding]

As a follow up allow me to explain this better.

A group puts a party finder up, using the letter switch to "mask" so something like ...

"Barser prog group, come join us"

A player joins as they want to prog, the usual greetings are exchanged, the party leader says

"So do you have a link to your parse numbers on other stuff?"

The player screenshots this, leaves the party, reports to the GM.

Party leader gets GM Jailed and a strike against their account for breaking TOS.


Same scenario but this time, party leader doesn't ask for 'proof' but after a failed attempt turns to the player and says

"You're parsing 1k below expected, is there a reason for that?"

Player screenshots, reports to GM

Party leader gets GM jailed and a strike against their account for breaking TOS.

This scenario can and will absolutely happen

So quite simply, don't do it.

[Miles064]

That's not parsers making people toxic, that's toxic idiots being toxic idiots. Always thought it was absolutely hysterical when some level 32 tryhard decided to spam a meter in SFK or something as if that game is or has ever been even slightly balanced at low levels. My favorite was the guy who was spamming a meter after every pull in DM once in a run where I, the healer, was miles ahead of him and everyone else. Because I was a mistweaver monk and, at the time, they were absolutely stupidly broken. It was hilarious. Those kinds of people? For one, only seem super common because they're all so loud and obnoxious, and for two, are absolutely never worth paying attention to.

...the second guy sounds like just an ahole who needed to be reported anyway. People like that don't need a dps meter to be an absolute tool.

Reminds me of a Demon Hunter linking meters after every pull in low lvl dungeon with 2 casters as the other dps. We just kind of laughed at him and he stopped real quick lol. Parsers are great tools but the tool is only a piece of the puzzle. Don't think many WoW vets would give something like shadow priest crap for lower dps when they have a demon hunter and a war in a low lvl dungeon. Good luck getting a cast off. Shadow priest destroys mythic+ or anything that can last long enough to let them ramp up, which is something those who have been around parsers for a while would already know.

[Yahallo]

There will be no official parser, i dont know how many times this needs to be stated.

As for attitude, i tend to find that anyone who sneeringly refers to others as "deadweights" is ample proof of why parsers should be completely banned. i dont mean allow them for personal use, i mean BANNED. Removed. Forbidden.

I dont see any reason why this kind of attitude, this kind of hostile, abusive conduct towards others should be condoned, encouraged or rewarded in any sense whatsoever.

I quit WOW for that very reason, and the abusive, manipulative and toxic atmospheres they created. Allow parsers in the game, and on the foilowing day you will have some wannabe spamming parser numbers in Sastasha. It wont happen?

Yes, it will. I gaurantee it.

Lastly, any so called 'raid leader" who cannot, or WILL NOT, get their point across without screaming obscenities at the top of their lungs needs to uninstall the game. walk away, and take a good long hard look at themselves.

If you lose your mind this badly over a game, if THIS is how you treat others, then the problem aint the game.

No matter how toxic the minority is, it is not a reason to permanently remove the ability for parsers to exist. To even start helping someone, you have to first identify the problem and parsers are needed for that. The vast majority keep the discussion off the game and on discord for a reason. What is done off game, even if it is related to the game, should not be punished in game. By joining a static, you are agreeing to their policies regarding these things. The harsh truth is that if you don't a group's policies you should leave that group. While there will never be an official parser, there is no reason to try to completely remove the ability for the current parsers to exist considering their necessity for raiding.

Furthermore, it is not just the raiders being toxic. Plenty of casual players are toxic as well. Toxicity isn't exclusive to raiders.