People advertising they're running Parsers

[Velnora]

I just said it, feel free to quote me on it going forward.

I know plenty of players who've attained deceptively impressive peak performance across a tier who I'd never want near an early prog group. That doesn't mean everyone who cares a lot about parsing or has good parses is bad or something; I'm just making the point that it's just not an effective sole indicator of a players ability to reliably attain clears or prog quickly.

They would be an exception to the rule. Parsers are how good players, become great players. You can memorize a fight all you like, but if you don't know what you are doing wrong in your rotation, you are hindering yourself. Nuances, are what separate good players and the great ones.

[Velnora]

There will be no official parser, i dont know how many times this needs to be stated.

As for attitude, i tend to find that anyone who sneeringly refers to others as "deadweights" is ample proof of why parsers should be completely banned. i dont mean allow them for personal use, i mean BANNED. Removed. Forbidden.

I dont see any reason why this kind of attitude, this kind of hostile, abusive conduct towards others should be condoned, encouraged or rewarded in any sense whatsoever.

I quit WOW for that very reason, and the abusive, manipulative and toxic atmospheres they created. Allow parsers in the game, and on the foilowing day you will have some wannabe spamming parser numbers in Sastasha. It wont happen?

Yes, it will. I gaurantee it.

Lastly, any so called 'raid leader" who cannot, or WILL NOT, get their point across without screaming obscenities at the top of their lungs needs to uninstall the game. walk away, and take a good long hard look at themselves.

If you lose your mind this badly over a game, if THIS is how you treat others, then the problem aint the game.

You see, parsers already exist, and there isn't this boogeyman of people harassing others about their damage. Making them officially legal isn't going to magically cause people to start harassing others, as that would still not be allowed. Also, why should people have to carry said "deadweights"? Why should people be forced to play with others that do not fit their playstyle?

[JanVanding]

You see, parsers already exist, and there isn't this boogeyman of people harassing others about their damage. Making them officially legal isn't going to magically cause people to start harassing others, as that would still not be allowed. Also, why should people have to carry said "deadweights"? Why should people be forced to play with others that do not fit their playstyle?

Yet people are now advertising actively that they're using them in PF so the intent to scrutinise is there.

Exactly what SE said not to do.

I personally won't join PF groups like that because I know for sure what kind of environment it will be and I'm not interested in listening to someone raging at someone else for maybe being Blue numbers instead of Purple.

Because that's what groups like that do.

[Velnora]

Keep parsing to yourself and all is good. Not talking about it in-game keeps the toxicity at check.

Talking numbers is not toxic.

[VelKallor]

You see, parsers already exist, and there isn't this boogeyman of people harassing others about their damage.

If you like, I am more than happy to regale you you on the thousands of encounters I have had where they did just that.

[Velnora]

Yet people are now advertising actively that they're using them in PF so the intent to scrutinise is there.

Exactly what SE said not to do.

I personally won't join PF groups like that because I know for sure what kind of environment it will be and I'm not interested in listening to someone raging at someone else for maybe being Blue numbers instead of Purple.

Because that's what groups like that do.

And yet, that still isn't toxic. A person joining said group goes in with the expectation that a bare minimum will be required. People are creating these situations that haven't even occured yet, due to previous games. Harassment is still not allowed. People aren't going to magically start being toxic over numbers simply because talking about them is allowed.

[Velnora]

If you like, I am more than happy to regale you you on the thousands of encounters I have had where they did just that.

The thousands of encounters, in FF14?

[LittleImp]

They would be an exception to the rule. Parsers are how good players, become great players. You can memorize a fight all you like, but if you don't know what you are doing wrong in your rotation, you are hindering yourself. Nuances, are what separate good players and the great ones.

You actually really don't need parsers to optimize in this game. It's not a matter of simming or testing various options like in other MMOs, as choices are actually extremely straight foreward and linear. You only really need to know phase timings and target counts to chart out optimal PPS and buff timings on a per-phase basis, which is how many jobs end up optimizing at the highest levels.

What kind of experience do you have in the highest level of this game btw? I'm curious what level of experience you're speaking from.

[JanVanding]

And yet, that still isn't toxic. A person joining said group goes in with the expectation that a bare minimum will be required. People are creating these situations that haven't even occured yet, due to previous games. Harassment is still not allowed. People aren't going to magically start being toxic over numbers simply because talking about them is allowed.

Except, you're wrong. Scrutiny of another player through PF using the tool is not allowed. That ruling didn't change

However, privately, between friends and personal, they relaxed it because that was already going on anyway.

But you must understand, them relaxing it in one area does not give free reign to interpret what was a very clear statement by YoshiP as a "Do as you like"

Yoshida is game director, the rule is Square-Enixes and he probably had a lot of meetings to get it relaxed as much as it has been.

Don't take the mile when you're given the inch basically, because they'll just take the whole thing away.

[ForteNightshade]

With one caveat, that I think we all agree on.

KEEP IT TO YOURSELF.

I disagree. While I'm far less inclined to say anything in a dungeon, Savage is a whole different beast. If a SAM can't keep up with a Bard or even a WAR, then simply acknowledging their low DPS isn't toxic. Their performance is such a scenario impacts my gameplay because we're potentially seeing mechanics we'd otherwise skip, or allowing less margin for error as now everyone else has to compensate for their lackluster DPS.

If you've ever complained about how parties disband after 2-3 wipes. It's likely someone was parsing and knew they couldn't say anything, so they simply bailed. A silent kick is equally telling.

If you like, I am more than happy to regale you you on the thousands of encounters I have had where they did just that.

Please do. Give us just five examples because "thousands of encounters" isn't just hyperbolic, it's downright absurd. Coincidentally, I could "regale" you with plenty of casual players who are equally or even more toxic despite not having a parser to speak of.